John Davison BAFTA Tourette’s incident and competing rights

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It’s interesting how this is being discussed atm. I see Ash Sarkar has framed it as an example of competing rights between disabled people and victims of racism, forgetting about intersectionality. But there is a struggle from those on the extreme left to see how women’s rights are compromised by ceding to TRAs.

not expressing myself very well but thought it had some interesting parallels with the sex and gender debate.

How dark does someone’s skin have to be in order for it to be ok for them to laugh at this exactly? Can you give a number? I look Greek for example that’s quite dark compared to someone from Scotland.

So why should someone with triggers, perhaps due to autism, past trauma, or other conditions or issues, who knows they may be triggered, be judged for choosing to not go to an awards show?

They're not blaming him, they're not trying to exclude him, they're just aware of their own limitations, and don't want to be set off/triggered/distressed, and you're telling me that they'd be doing something wrong, and deserve judgement?

It feels like there's literally no winning.

Some years ago a rapper invited a white girl up on stage to perform his rap,
He then got offended when she rapped the N word and turned the audience against her.
If he was that bothered he shouldn't have chosen a white person.

I bring this up as it seemed performative to me as does much of the offense that has been taken.

And as much as I have empathy and sympathy for those involved (JD, DL, MBJ) in this. I am more disappointed in the arty types (baftas, artists. actors media, bbc) that have spent so long preacching DEI, inclusion and be kind yet are slating this man and doing the exact opposite of what they are preaching.

Well, Reddit should know, I guess!

I'd be confident without knowing anything else about you that I know more about the base rules of comedy than you. But let's not discuss it further. Greater awareness of your views on anything isn't enhancing my life.

Show me where I say JD saying the N due to an involuntary tic is offensive? I said MBJ and DL experiencing this live in front of millions would’ve been upsetting and their feelings should be acknowledged. I don’t think the correct duty of care was carried out in JD’s case either so they were all let down.

It’s still the funniest thing I’ve seen this week.

Man with Tourette’s does massive swear on live TV and everyone falls over themselves. Perfection.

I mean world war three is due to start next weekend when America sets two carrier strike groups and the whole of Israel
on Iran but don’t worry, a silly man sad a bad word on the tv.

it’s utterly hilarious.

big nose

your mums a whore

shirtlifting pommie cunt

Couldn’t have put this any better.

That’s not racism. It’s a question.

im sorry you can’t do rational thinking.

but please, don’t call me racist.

JFC.

He should be free to attend.

All people who witnessed it should be mature enough to understand his limitations and not be offended instead of making his illness about themselves, running to the press and announcing they're quitting. What an absolute palaver, totally inappropriate, ableist behaviour.

The fact so many people don't want to understand Tourette's very frequently makes people say the exact wrong thing at moments of high anxiety and they'd rather victimise themselves and seek attention is honestly depressing.

You could still try. There’s quite a lot of room above it….

I have no time for anyone who uses the word triggered I’m afraid.

I never said that though. I’m bothered about intent. I know I’m being facetious here but it’s like cunt, you can say it and mean it really offensively, or you can mean it like ‘he’s a good cunt’ between peers.

There was no malicious intent in John Davidson’s tic. The damage to him is going to be far greater than to Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo because of this ignorance of Tourette’s.

frequently used for my closest peers.

Experiencing somebody with Tourette's live?

You still haven't explained why it is tolerable in one context, but not another.

ETA: and as far as I can see their feelings were acknowledged

First two, once again, could be said to anyone. Third one makes no sense for a straight man or to be said by another Brit.

We’re not talking general bad words but those that oppressed groups specifically have endured for decades if not centuries. Words that, although unintentional, could trigger deep hurt in the people that experienced it onstage that night and their feelings should be recognised.

I’ve not been racist.

I’ve not behaved in any appalling way.

if you think I’ve been racist clearly explain what I did that you think was racist and - clearly explain why and how my behaviour is so appalllng.

you’re not doing discussion very well as you’re not making your point clearly.

Davidson didn’t, and doesn’t, find it ‘hilarious’. I’m not sure what you’re trying to demonstrate here. That you can laugh at the Black men and the disabled man?

Surely it's HILARIOUS?

What you’re not getting is that having Tourette’s means you will involuntarily blurt out the worst possible thing you could say in any given situation.

So, when JD’s tic made him shout ‘Fuck the Queen!’ at the Queen it was because he knew that was the worst possible thing he could say in that situation.

The only relevant context here is that a man with a disability displayed symptoms of that disability. As I’ve said before, once they knew the situation, it was on MJ and the other fella to show a bit of grace.

Er, yes? The subject and situation in both can be very funny depending?

You can separate them you know - I'm not laughing at people because they are black or disabled - I am laughing at the hilarious way the two came together, on live TV of all places! It's the best comedy set up I've seen in ages and it was an accident! (apparently.....)

Hilarious you’ve ran over to the black mumsnetters thread shouting racism where they’ve displayed the most overt racism, ableism and hatred I’ve ever seen on MN (hence why they keep getting posts deleted).

I’m astounded it’s not been deleted. If it had been the other way around, white people talking about people of colour like that the thread would’ve been zapped faster than you could say ‘spunk for milk’.