GLP v EHRC judgement - Thread 2

[Another2Cats]

This is a continuation thread from here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5489699-glp-v-ehrc-judgement-is-coming-tomorrow?

Using my own experience of knowing I would transition as a young child, starting HRT at 15, then having more than 40 years life experience beyond that point, I would say 14 year olds have the ability to decide. Starting at 14, rather than 15 would have been fine for me, as it was/is for thousands of trans people since I went through all this.

Even if that were an accurate recounting, based on the fact that you appear to lack the basic understanding that your personal experiences are not universal or representative of anything greater than your personal experiences suggests you are not a credible commentator on this matter.

Nevermind the fact that you are describing cross-sex hormones as "hormone replacement therapy" - either you are very confused or you are deliberately trying to manipulate and deceive.

My experience is more real than sex realist conjecture and bad faith incantations.

It’s not hormone replacement therapy, HRT refers to replacing hormones that the body has stopped producing or producing in amounts to maintain healthy functioning.

Gender-based treatment involves administering exogenous hormones, which are known to cause harm.

Children and their parents believing that cross sex hormones will help isn’t sufficient evidence to suggest the NHS should prescribe them.

I disagree. Exogenous hormone use is common and well supported in medical literature. Perhaps the NHS should shift their trial to adolescent HRT rather than peri-adolescent blockers.

Research indicates that PBs do not work as time to think as pretty much 100% of children who take PB go on to take cross sex hormones whilst very few who don’t take them progress to cross sex hormones.

The Pathway study doesn’t suggest an aim of PBs is time to think. This has already been ruled out as a purpose.

From the article I linked above, a 17yo girl who started blocking puberty at 13 and taking testosterone a year later, drugs sourced abroad and paid for by her parents. Those parents will fight on like the proverbial Japanese soldier

"It’s really scary being a young person just working out who you are, and to know that your puberty is progressing in a way that you don’t feel aligned with – you feel trapped,” he said. “My body was changing in a way I actively hated.”

"He obtained hormones privately online at 14 with the support of his parents. He has now been on puberty blockers, bought from abroad, for four years and, through his GP, has been taking the masculinising hormone testosterone for three years"

Grin now climbs up buildings and leaves little paper coffins outside of Wes Streetings office

When you say exogenous hormone use is well supported in literature, are you referring to diseases such as prostate cancer whereby the negative side effects such as bone thinning, high blood pressure and heart problems are considered worth the risk within context of the cancer?

Is it valid, or is it bigoted and hateful, to think that being a man or woman is about what body you have?

Go back and read what I said. But thanks for illustrating what bad faith looks like.

But you are evaluating your 14-year old experience with the benefit of hindsight. In an alternative timeline maybe you are posting on MN lamenting the fact that doctors and parents allowed you, at 14 years old, to make a life-altering decision.

Your continued use of the term "hormone replacement therapy" to describe cross-sex hormones shows you to be posting in bad faith.

Why should anyone believe anything you say when you repeatedly and blatantly lie?

Objectively, a better outcome for you would have been to reconcile your sense of self with your sexed body and so you wouldn’t have needed to embark on hormone treatment and surgery that compromise your physical health.

Whilst it may be the case that the above couldn’t have been achieved for/ with you, but seeking to deny others the chance to achieve this is what posters on this board rail against.

Out of interest, your post suggests that you are now approximately aged 55? Did you receive those hormones from a registered clinic? And are you male or female? I'm imagining male, because there must have been vanishingly few young women or girls seeking to 'transition' in the 1970s?

@shortshriftandlethal- onepost is very definitely male/a man but has a trans identity.

Uh oh

Where were you getting puberty blockers to prevent your male puberty in the 70s? My understanding was that these drugs were only at the lab trial stage then, then used to treat precocious puberty, and weren't used to stop puberty until much later. I could be wrong though.

He had exogenous hormones instead so he claims.

i am sticking to the subject of JM.

Oh no
Oh nooooooooo
Please noooo

Using my own experience of knowing I would transition as a young child, starting HRT at 15

Yeah, right. Your GP prescribed you opposite sex hormones when you were 15? That never happened.

Jolyon Maugham is the true "Japanese soldier"
He posted about wanting a son years back.
He has now put two of his daughters on drugs that will render them infertile and ill.
He calls them sons
but they are not.

I hope for the sake of his third daughter that she avoids the same fate.

And @Hedgehogforshort

????

"Typically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Children can't get cross-sex hormones at all.

@TwoLoonsAndASprout A whole thread was dedicated to a person who only ever posts once so we have heard it all before.

Ah.