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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s Rights Network imploding

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NameChangedWren · 02/02/2026 18:21

WTF is going on? There are letters circulating with members alleging bullying, and anyone who asks a question is suspended and comments deleted. The leader calling everyone to urgent meetings with bizarre messaging: ‘there is no letter, and if there is it’s full of lies, and you can’t see the letter just trust us, and ooh look, something shiny!’ Should I cut my losses, cancel my standing order and just follow Let Women Speak?

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Niven · 06/03/2026 10:54

RhannionKPSS · 06/03/2026 10:52

Perhaps you should have a look at the beginning of this thread and enlighten yourself about Bucks , and the volume of work those women have been doing. WRN Scotland’s work is rather insubstantial compared to just one regional group.

That’s good advice.

Heminist · 06/03/2026 11:33

RhannionKPSS · 06/03/2026 10:52

Perhaps you should have a look at the beginning of this thread and enlighten yourself about Bucks , and the volume of work those women have been doing. WRN Scotland’s work is rather insubstantial compared to just one regional group.

Why? Unlike you, I don’t believe I’ve the right to police what happens in an organisation of volunteers.
WRN are getting stuff done despite your best efforts to denigrate them. So your opinion is invalid to me.

ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 11:43

Heminist, if your posts this morning had been made late at night I would be rolling my eyes and thinking, "Drunk in charge of the internet 🙄 ?"

You seem to think that this is some sort of game: confessing that you aim to bait women, responding with insults that are paired with "laughing" and "deranged face" emojis.

What Clementinebloom · said (Today, 6th March 00:45) is sobering, which you seem to need metaphorically if not literally.

"Let's be clear: all we actually have in these 35+ pages is a pile of documents (grievance letters, expulsion emails, screenshots of suspensions, etc.) where women have detailed what happened to them – bullying, heavy-handed suspensions for asking basic questions, deletions, top-down control, even funds going into personal accounts rather than official ones.

And what do we have from WRN or their apologists on this thread? Crickets on disputing any of those specific claims.

I've not seen a single post from WRN supporters (or anyone claiming to speak for them) actually contradicting the key allegations with evidence or counter-documents. No "that grievance letter is fabricated", no "those suspension emails are out of context and here's why", no "the personal account transfers were legitimate because [explanation]". Just vague hand-waving about "contradictions" that never materialise, or attacks on the women posting, or pivots to "you can't verify it either way".

If there really were solid contradictions from WRN's side, they'd have been posted by now – especially given how defensive some posters get. Instead, silence on the substance, which rather speaks volumes.

Women aren't daft – we notice when questions go unanswered."

To all the women coming on to this thread to hurl insults at women who are raising legitimate concerns about governance and financial transparency, and to deflect and derail, you might think that you are "defending WRN" but you are only making things so much worse.

Saying that you are not "WRN leadership" but are just ordinary members, and I have no reason to disbelieve you, is far from reassuring for any women reading this thread who might have been thinking of joining WRN.

How many of the "thousands" (disputed) of WRN members have any day-to-day contact with "WRN leadership"? Very few, I would imagine. However, most are going to find themselves in WhatsApp Groups with other "ordinary members".

I am sure that there will be groups running along amicably but you are presenting a picture of WRN "ordinary members" as really quite vicious bullies and WRN groups as toxic, authoritarian places where members keep each other under constant surveillance for any sign of "disloyalty", eg. asking questions about WRN governance.

There have also been peculiar assertions by some women who do not consider themselves to be WRN members, even though they purport to be part of WRN in some mysterious way beyond having signed up to receive the Newsletter. Other WRN members on the thread were unaware of the existence of WRN Guidelines for Members and the sanctions that will be applied if they breach those Guidelines.

Some members say they went through a "Vetting Process" before being permitted to join WRN. Other members were unaware that any such process exists. I assume that the latter are most likely to be what WRN refers to as "Legacy Members".

That is how WRN refers to the women who started the original Shoppers Groups, the groups that were taken over by Heather Binning and used to justify her classification of WRN Ltd. on Companies House:

Nature of business (SIC)

  • 94990 - Activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified
  • 96090 - Other service activities not elsewhere classified

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14041486

However, as others have pointed out, there is only one legal member of WRN Ltd. (Heather Binning) while everyone else is a member of the voluntary membership organisation (WRN), which is run by WRN Ltd.

It would actually be a lot clearer how the two organisations relate to each other if the Shoppers Groups had not been renamed as Women's Rights Network Groups and/or if Heather Binning had not named her Private Ltd Company "Women's Rights Network Ltd.".

I don't think anyone should be criticised for looking at the facts and wondering, why the lack of transparency? They can hardly be blamed if the words "hijack" and "personal gain" then spring to mind.

That is not being (all the various insults thrown at women asking questions), it is women using their eyes: seeing smoke and mirrors, surveillance and bullying everywhere they turn.

It is women using their brains to try to make sense of an organisation they had assumed was feminist (description now dropped from website), entirely benign and dedicated to supporting women's activism for sex-based rights (description also dropped from website).

With WRN not being what most women thought it was, and with members claiming not to be members simply because they do not pay membership fees and/or not knowing that their membership is conditional on following Guidelines they have never heard of, WRN sounds quite chaotic under the surface.

Combined with authoritarian management, purges and smear campaigns, is this an example of what could be described as "anarcho-tyranny" - but at the corporate level? It is a term much bandied about at the moment in relation to governments but it sprang to my mind as I finished writing this post.

LilyCraven · 06/03/2026 11:44

Talkinpeace · 05/03/2026 20:51

"WRN only post on X"
thaat will be news to Facebook, Linkedin and Instagram

The "Women of" groups are indeed brilliant against their local councils but impacting across the board requires coordination.

Oddly enough, we manage to do that too. The beauty of affiliation between Wessex and Surrey means that we can collaborate on national issues. That’s why we have joint working groups, and quite effective ones, too. The reason why many of you won’t be aware of that is because none of us seek the limelight. Our shared objectives of restoring and defending women’s rights and getting genderwoo out of schools are the only things that truly matter.

FairIsFairIsFair · 06/03/2026 11:47

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NameChangedWren · 06/03/2026 12:19

I don’t see any doxxing?

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SuperFragilisticWoman · 06/03/2026 12:20

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It’s telling that every time someone raises legitimate concerns about WRN—like the bullying allegations, arbitrary suspensions, deleted comments, and lack of transparency—you pivot to deflection or outright dismissal. You accuse critics of being divisive or not “loyal” enough, but that’s not debate; that’s avoidance.
If WRN is as strong and accountable as you claim, why can’t you address the specifics? For example:
• Why are members being suspended just for asking to see the letters circulating about internal issues?
• What’s the explanation for the mass departures and expulsions from groups across the country?
• How do you justify discouraging women from networking outside WRN or raising questions internally, treating them like subordinates rather than equals?
• And on the upcoming changes: mandatory subscriptions and charitable status—how will that ensure better governance, especially with reports of bias and punitive actions?
These aren’t attacks; they’re questions from women who care about women’s rights and want organisations fighting for us to be effective and fair. If you can’t engage with them substantively, it only reinforces the impression that WRN’s leadership is more interested in control than collaboration.
Happy to discuss if you’re up for it—real debate, not deflection.

NameChangedWren · 06/03/2026 12:24

Seems clear to me that @Heminist is a member of WRN Scotland. She denies being a coordinator but can apparently speak with authority about what happened when the entire group apart from coordinators were ejected, so either she’s lying and is, in fact, a coordinator, or she’s a more recent joiner who has swallowed hook, line and sinker the WRN Scotland line about ‘confidentiality’. Either way, she feels able to dismiss the many first hand accounts and witness testimony of poor treatment as all being petty vitriol, and she has adopted the WRN tactic of throwing accusations, obfuscating facts and goading victims. I suggest there is not much to be achieved by further engagement with her.

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ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 12:27

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ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 12:30

NameChangedWren · 06/03/2026 12:19

I don’t see any doxxing?

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ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 12:38

SuperFragilisticWoman · 06/03/2026 12:20

It’s telling that every time someone raises legitimate concerns about WRN—like the bullying allegations, arbitrary suspensions, deleted comments, and lack of transparency—you pivot to deflection or outright dismissal. You accuse critics of being divisive or not “loyal” enough, but that’s not debate; that’s avoidance.
If WRN is as strong and accountable as you claim, why can’t you address the specifics? For example:
• Why are members being suspended just for asking to see the letters circulating about internal issues?
• What’s the explanation for the mass departures and expulsions from groups across the country?
• How do you justify discouraging women from networking outside WRN or raising questions internally, treating them like subordinates rather than equals?
• And on the upcoming changes: mandatory subscriptions and charitable status—how will that ensure better governance, especially with reports of bias and punitive actions?
These aren’t attacks; they’re questions from women who care about women’s rights and want organisations fighting for us to be effective and fair. If you can’t engage with them substantively, it only reinforces the impression that WRN’s leadership is more interested in control than collaboration.
Happy to discuss if you’re up for it—real debate, not deflection.

It is ironic that those questions and concerns have been forced into the public domain precisely because of WRN leadership's refusal to allow any mention of them within WRN communication channels.

This, for example:

• Why are members being suspended just for asking to see the letters circulating about internal issues?

It is a case of the cover-up being more damaging than the deeds being covered up.

Clementinebloom · 06/03/2026 12:41

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To be clear: I have not doxxed anyone, and any claim otherwise is incorrect.

SuperFragilisticWoman · 06/03/2026 12:47

ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 12:38

It is ironic that those questions and concerns have been forced into the public domain precisely because of WRN leadership's refusal to allow any mention of them within WRN communication channels.

This, for example:

• Why are members being suspended just for asking to see the letters circulating about internal issues?

It is a case of the cover-up being more damaging than the deeds being covered up.

Spot on. Forcing these concerns public by banning any mention inside WRN is exactly why the cover-up now looks worse than the original issues. Suspending whole groups of for asking to see the letter(s) while denying they exist is not leadership – it’s damage limitation. Transparency on the suspensions, expulsions, finances and the new subscription/charity plans is the bare minimum if WRN wants to keep any credibility.

SuperFragilisticWoman · 06/03/2026 12:52

NameChangedWren · 06/03/2026 12:24

Seems clear to me that @Heminist is a member of WRN Scotland. She denies being a coordinator but can apparently speak with authority about what happened when the entire group apart from coordinators were ejected, so either she’s lying and is, in fact, a coordinator, or she’s a more recent joiner who has swallowed hook, line and sinker the WRN Scotland line about ‘confidentiality’. Either way, she feels able to dismiss the many first hand accounts and witness testimony of poor treatment as all being petty vitriol, and she has adopted the WRN tactic of throwing accusations, obfuscating facts and goading victims. I suggest there is not much to be achieved by further engagement with her.

I agree—it’s classic deflection and dismissal, straight from the WRN playbook
If she’s not in leadership, why the insider knowledge and fierce defence? And why resort to goading and accusing critics of ‘threats’ or ‘bullying’ when women are just sharing firsthand experiences of being ejected en masse?
Dismissing those accounts as ‘petty vitriol’ ignores the real harm: over 60 women gone from WRN Scotland last summer, coordinators suspended for merely asking questions, and a pattern of silencing dissent. It’s not loyalty; it’s enabling a toxic culture. Spot on about disengaging—further interaction just feeds the cycle of obfuscation.

Heminist · 06/03/2026 13:07

NameChangedWren · 06/03/2026 12:19

I don’t see any doxxing?

I believe the post was deleted by MN for that very reason

Heminist · 06/03/2026 13:09

Clementinebloom · 06/03/2026 12:41

To be clear: I have not doxxed anyone, and any claim otherwise is incorrect.

There are receipts - don’t lie.

ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 14:06

Clementinebloom · 06/03/2026 12:41

To be clear: I have not doxxed anyone, and any claim otherwise is incorrect.

The very last line of the deleted post, which I genuinely thought was a quote because it sounded like something out of Blackadder or Francis Urquhart's mouth was, "[NAME] your up to no good!"

You were reply-quoting LordArnoldsWife.

I have no idea who Lord Arnold and his wife are but they and [NAME] in your post all sounded like characters out of Blackadder or House of Cards

📺 🤷‍♀️

Niven · 06/03/2026 14:52

ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 14:06

The very last line of the deleted post, which I genuinely thought was a quote because it sounded like something out of Blackadder or Francis Urquhart's mouth was, "[NAME] your up to no good!"

You were reply-quoting LordArnoldsWife.

I have no idea who Lord Arnold and his wife are but they and [NAME] in your post all sounded like characters out of Blackadder or House of Cards

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To be fair LordArnold’sWife (there are folk songs about her) said they were a teacher so they nearly outed themselves.

TipsyKhakiJoker · 06/03/2026 16:44

ThimbleThief · 06/03/2026 14:06

The very last line of the deleted post, which I genuinely thought was a quote because it sounded like something out of Blackadder or Francis Urquhart's mouth was, "[NAME] your up to no good!"

You were reply-quoting LordArnoldsWife.

I have no idea who Lord Arnold and his wife are but they and [NAME] in your post all sounded like characters out of Blackadder or House of Cards

📺 🤷‍♀️

Folk song in which Lord Arnold’s wife has an adulterous affair, he kills them both and buries them in the same grave with her on top. Interesting choice of name.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/03/2026 16:53

Folk song in which Lord Arnold’s wife has an adulterous affair, he kills them both and buries them in the same grave with her on top. Interesting choice of name.

Matty Groves

A holiday, a holiday
The first one of the year
Lord Arnold's wife came into the church
The gospel for to hear

And when the meeting it was done
She cast her eyes about
And there she saw little Matty Groves
Walking in the crowd

"Come home with me
Little Matty Groves
Come home with me tonight
Come home with me, little Matty Groves
And sleep with me till light."

"Oh I can't come home and
I won't go home
And sleep with you tonight
By the rings on your fingers I can see
That you are my master's wife."

"And what if I'm Lord Arnold's wife
For he is not at home
He is out in the far country
Bringing the yearlings home."

So little Matty Groves, he lay down
And took a little sleep
When he awoke Lord Arnold
He was standing by his feet

Saying "How do you like my feather bed
And how do you like my sheets?
How do you like my lady wife
Who lies in your arms asleep?"

"Oh well, I like your feather bed
Better I like your sheets
Best of all I like your lady gay
Who lies in my arms asleep."

"Get up! Get up!" Lord Arnold cried
"Get up as quick as you can
Let it never be said in fair England
That I slew a naked man."

"Oh I won't get up and I won't get up
I can't get up for my life
For you have two long beaten swords
And I not a pocket knife."

"Well it's true I have two beaten swords
And they cost me deep in the purse
But you will have the better of them
And I will have the worse."

So Matty struck the very first blow
And he hurt Lord Arnold sore
Lord Arnold struck the very next blow
And Matty struck up the floor

And then he took his own dear wife
And sat her down on his knee
Saying "who do you like the best of us now
Your dead Matty Groves or me?"

And then spoke up his own dear wife
Never heard her speak so free
"I'd rather a kiss from dead Matty's lips
Than you or your finery"

And then Lord Arnold he jumped up
And loudly did he bawl
He struck his wife right through the heart
And pinned her up to the wall

"Oh a grave, a grave", Lord Arnold cried
"to put these lovers in
Won't you bury my lady at the top
For she was a noble kin

https://genius.com/Fiddlers-green-matty-groves-lyrics

Shedmistress · 06/03/2026 17:28

Today's posts have totally got me rethinking my 'demented' comment.

LordArnoldsWife · 06/03/2026 17:29

An appropriate moment for me to return to remind us all that:

all we have in these <checks> 36 pages is a few documents where stuff that some women say happened is then contradicted by what WRN say happened. The rest of us cannot verify any of it either way.

We also have no idea how many of the women initially removed from WRN en masse then applied to return individually and were accepted back.

Niven · 06/03/2026 17:46

LordArnoldsWife · 06/03/2026 17:29

An appropriate moment for me to return to remind us all that:

all we have in these <checks> 36 pages is a few documents where stuff that some women say happened is then contradicted by what WRN say happened. The rest of us cannot verify any of it either way.

We also have no idea how many of the women initially removed from WRN en masse then applied to return individually and were accepted back.

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We don’t know WHAT the WRN leader said happened as they are saying nothing.
Those of us who were purged have evidence, but sharing it with you would be pounced on by WRN as more “breaches of security”. IYKYK.

LordArnoldsWife · 06/03/2026 17:50

Niven · 06/03/2026 17:46

We don’t know WHAT the WRN leader said happened as they are saying nothing.
Those of us who were purged have evidence, but sharing it with you would be pounced on by WRN as more “breaches of security”. IYKYK.

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