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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Lithgow on JK Rowling

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QAOPspaceman · 02/02/2026 09:31

basically admits he hasn’t bothered thinking about her position on gender identity. The Harry Potter books are about tolerance so her stance is ‘inexplicable’, yet he’s never met her and only ‘read about her views’.
Read her for yourself pal! Do your own fucking thinking!

www.theguardian.com/books/2026/feb/02/john-lithgow-says-he-finds-jk-rowlings-stance-on-trans-rights-ironic-and-inexplicable?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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SinnerBoy · 10/02/2026 15:33

Gretel346 · Today 08:59

Misgendering & refusing access to basic necessary public ammenities is discrimination.

"Misgendering can be, but is not necessarily discrimination. If you continually hassle a transw, saying, "Eurgh! You're a man," that may well be so adjudged. Pointing out that transw are men, in a causal conversation, or in a debate, is not.

No man LARPing as a woman is being refused access to necessary public amenities. No man is legally allowed to use womens' toilets, whether he's wearing jeans, or an LBD. Simple.

ProfessorBinturong · 10/02/2026 18:01

IloveOwlsandPenguins · 10/02/2026 11:53

How can anyone ‘misgender ‘ when no one can define ‘gender ‘?

Indeed. I never 'misgender' anyone, because I never 'gender' them at all. I may have occassion to refer to their sex, but as we keep being told sex is not the same as gender.

DramaAndBullshit · 10/02/2026 18:27

ItsCoolForCats · 02/02/2026 10:01

How can people read what JKR's position is and not realise how reasonable her position is? What exactly is so abhorrent about thinking that women should have sex-based protections in law?

And what is the point of listing all the HP actors who have "distanced" themselves from her views? Who gives a shit what these cowards say? Why doesn't it mention the HP cast members who have backed her?

I wonder if JKR will ever write an autobiography? It would be amazing.

Because most people haven’t actually read what JKR wrote, they have just seen quotes taken out of context and “heard” she’s a wrongun. Rather than fact check it they go along with what social media tells them.

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 07:18

Gretel346 · 10/02/2026 01:05

This is a perfect example of why the far right & gender critical proponents are aligned in their rejection of principles…unless of course they can exploit them.

They are all about free speech & and anti cancellation until the shoe is on the other foot when then its suddenly 'you're either with us or against us'.

The idea that an employer owns their employees is another one.

Rejection of what principles? Misogynist ones? Misogyny?

You've been asked numerous questions you refuse to answer, and I believe that is because you are not here in good faith. Such as what is it that JKR said, in HER OWN WORDS, not a third hand 'source' that twists it and puts a disingenuous slant on it, has she ever said that is 'transphobic'. Answer that. What in this is, 'transphobic'? Have the decency and honesty to answer, in your own words WITHOUT using a third hand source. Go on, back yourself. www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 07:22

Gretel346 · 10/02/2026 07:26

I was not obfuscating with insults.

Pretending that a simple point like employees don't owe their employers integrity is incoherent certainly fits the shoe. That you have been caught out by this obvious inconvenient fact & are now lashing out as some some sort of defensive ploy doesn't do your credibility any favours.

However here he tries to play a "woe is me" card by slur her for supporting in Womens Rights when he is way too old not to understand why Womens Rights were and are needed and after a career in industry which has a such a reputation that its euphemism for sexual abuse is widely recognised and understood he would be stupid to try claim he could not understand.

Whaaat? Where did he play the "woe is me" card or show he doesn't understand about women's rights in his industry? Lithgow simply made the point that JKR's hypocrisy in preaching about acceptance in Harry Potter but not living it in practice shouldn't stand in the way of continuing to spread the message of acceptance.

If he has come to an opinion that he believes her to be transphobic he should be willing to make that clear.

For those of us with a working conscience he masterfully did…& it was beautiful!

in preaching about acceptance in Harry Potter but not living it in practice

How is JKR not living acceptance here? And again, have the courage to answer and not ignore it.

PS For those of us with a working conscience he masterfully did…& it was beautiful!

Then why are MRAs/trans activists so unhappy with his wishy washy response then???

John Lithgow on JK Rowling
ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 07:24

Gretel346 · 10/02/2026 08:22

Now that is agreed, I for one very much look forward to the cessation of TRA demands on employers to discipline, cancel, silence or sack women who stand up for the existence, significance and rights of the female half of the species.

You seem to be conflating a false right to free speech with discrimination against protected groups in the workplace…of which is illegal.

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Stating feminist beliefs is a protected right in society, per the Forstater judgement, and is "worthy of respect in a democratic society". What you want, is to discriminate against science, biological facts, and beliefs. You want to discriminate against a vulnerable and protected characteristic.

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 07:25

Gretel346 · 10/02/2026 08:28

The privacy thingy kind of applies to everyone. That's why they are human rights.

That's why the male sex has privacy in male spaces....

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 07:27

Gretel346 · 10/02/2026 08:59

Misgendering & refusing access to basic necessary public ammenities is discrimination.

Do you mean to be so wilfully ignorant?

There is no right to compelled speech. No one is compelled to MIS-SEX a male or remove FEMALE basic and necessary public amenities. Forcing a female to ignore her lived experience as the oppressed sex, to mis-sex a male in order to cosplay in his fetish and to remove her basic necessary public amenities is discrimination!

sandgreen · 27/03/2026 23:12

Reviving this thread as this has just appeared in my podcast feed and don’t know if I have it in me to listen. What is it with the New Yorker? They have been utterly appalling to JKR for years - what is the point of their fact checkers when they run hateful shit like this without a care? I suppose I should listen to see exactly what Lithgow and Remnick have to say for themselves. But unsubscribing is now long overdue.

John Lithgow on JK Rowling
sandgreen · 28/03/2026 07:35

For what it’s worth I did listen to this. Remnick described JKR as having views that are “to many ears as ugly as any prejudice around”.

Lithgow loftily opines she displays “impudent prejudice”, and obviously he didn’t know anything about it until he’d already taken the role and people told him to walk away. The stories are too good, steady work yada yada.

It ends with Remnick leading Lithgow to agree that both are “surprised by ferocity and cruelty in her tone” online.

Impudent prejudice! That’s a new one. I know American libel laws are different, but how the New Yorker has got away with its deeply nasty character assassination of JKR over the years I do not know.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/03/2026 08:59

Lithgow keeps popping up to blacken JKR's name, like the rest of them he never quotes what she's said that's so bad, but he does stop wringing his hands long enough to take the cash.

The bloke playing Snape has done much the same. He's also talked of the shameful racist abuse he's received. I think, although Alan Rickman is a hard act to follow, he'll make all but the worst of them eat their words. He's not said a dickybird about the abuse he'll have received from tras. In that he is probably wiser than Lithgow as he can sidestep what a massive hypocrite he's being.

RoyalCorgi · 28/03/2026 10:08

Lithgow loftily opines she displays “impudent prejudice”, and obviously he didn’t know anything about it until he’d already taken the role and people told him to walk away. The stories are too good, steady work yada yada.

Oh yes, men really don't like impudent women. It must be a massive source of regret to these misogynists that they can no longer burn impudent women at the stake or lock them up in mental asylums.

SionnachRuadh · 28/03/2026 11:35

Impudent women, forsooth. Who does he think he is, Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP?

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 12:20

RoyalCorgi · 28/03/2026 10:08

Lithgow loftily opines she displays “impudent prejudice”, and obviously he didn’t know anything about it until he’d already taken the role and people told him to walk away. The stories are too good, steady work yada yada.

Oh yes, men really don't like impudent women. It must be a massive source of regret to these misogynists that they can no longer burn impudent women at the stake or lock them up in mental asylums.

Quite!

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 12:24

lcakethereforeIam · 28/03/2026 08:59

Lithgow keeps popping up to blacken JKR's name, like the rest of them he never quotes what she's said that's so bad, but he does stop wringing his hands long enough to take the cash.

The bloke playing Snape has done much the same. He's also talked of the shameful racist abuse he's received. I think, although Alan Rickman is a hard act to follow, he'll make all but the worst of them eat their words. He's not said a dickybird about the abuse he'll have received from tras. In that he is probably wiser than Lithgow as he can sidestep what a massive hypocrite he's being.

Let’s put that in capitals.

BUT HE DOES STOP WRINGING HIS HANDS ENOUGH TO TAKE THE CASH

AsTreesWalking · 29/03/2026 07:32

sandgreen · 03/02/2026 09:13

Add Joyce Carol Oates to the list of the wilfully ignorant ‘be kind’ crowd ready to throw JKR under the bus for no genuine reason. None of this sounds like her at all to me.

Oh no, not JCO! Such a wonderful, thoughtful writer. So disappointing😕

WittyLimeBiscuit · 29/03/2026 10:16

So many of the people who criticise JKR haven't bothered to read her essay explaining her position.
A colleague told me she didn't need to because Rowling had written an entire book criticising a transwoman. That never happened.

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