Baroness Chakrabarti in the HoL - biological sex and police data

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Here is a clip of Baroness Chakrabarti speaking in the House of Lords about the impossibility of police being able to establish someone's biological sex because it would be too intrusive. She doesn't seem to consider that the best way to solve this problem is not to allow people to change their official records in the first place.

She makes a passing reference to VAWG but doesn't really seem to consider the impact on women and girls. She is more concerned about people who she says have "changed sex". She also said she has read some concerning things about women with mastectomies being challenged in changing rooms, suggesting this is happening up and down the country, rather than being a suspiciously-timed allegation from Jolyon Maugham's wife.

I know people have lost their minds over this issue, but it still floors me how intelligent women can come out with this stuff. Have she ever stopped to think critically about any of this? Or are people so ensconced in their echo chambers that that they are no longer able to do this?

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I've never taken to her. Don't know why.

I have completely lost respect for her. Only massively over privileged people are unable to see what a misogynistic ideology this is.

Here is a clip of Baroness Chakrabarti speaking in the House of Lords about the impossibility of police being able to establish someone's biological sex because it would be too intrusive. She doesn't seem to consider that the best way to solve this problem is not to allow people to change their official records in the first place.

Even as the situation stands, all the police need is the person's official ID and the power to check that against the (sealed) original birth record at the General Register Office. And being given instructions to do so.

She got really close to saying it disproportionately prejudices against trans people, but then said 'everyone, really'.

I dont have my date of birth, or address or nationality on every piece of id i have, but its recognised that the police may need to know that information.

She knows this.

She lost me at "change sex"
And she used the term 'transexuals'

No one should be able to change the sex marker on their birth certificate (unless an actual clerical error occurs) but we are where we are for now.

Is it beyond the wit of man to be able to develop a rapid, sex determining cheek swab test that could be used by police forces as part of the booking in system?

She is woefully behind in this debate. I suspect it's wilful ignorance.

She was at Liberty, right? Haven’t they previously been dupes for men who want to break sexual boundaries?

I used to be a member because was anti ID-cards, but I realized liberty for women and children does mean curtailing the desires of many men. And it seems to be men’s freedoms which they promote.

Met her back in the Liberty days. Decades of cultivating people and living in a certain bubble results in saying what her bubble wants her to say. She's done very well for herself. Can't really see what's she's done for women and girls.

She’s a waste of space. Cannot stand her. Met her a few times. As awful in person as you’d expect.

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She's always been a bit clueless - she's been around for years and has come out with some real corkers in her time. Hope Sharron Davies puts her right.

According to her, there was no anti semitism in the Labour Party.

She must find Afghanistan very confusing. How doesn't anyone know which people are women?

She also said she has read some concerning things about women with mastectomies being challenged in changing rooms, suggesting this is happening up and down the country, rather than being a suspiciously-timed allegation from Jolyon Maugham's wife.

What does she think a mastectomy looks like?

Oh that artistic pause before the phrase ‘birth sex’ as though it were something unbelievably complicated and beyond most people’s understanding. We all managed absolutely fine until about 10 years ago. All the Police have to do is ask, just as, I imagine, they ask for address and date of birth. And when some idiot plays silly buggers (because people will lie to the Police about those things too) then they prosecute for wasting Police time, or whatever the appropriate route is.

Liberty in its previous incarnation supported PIE. Doesn’t look as though it’s changed much.

That is so insulting to suggest women who have had mastectomies look like men. What is her idea of women? a pair of tits! JFC

She's a friend of Mrs Maugham

If there were a venn diagram of what it takes to be a respectable TRA, she'd be in the centre. Her education, career, where she lives, who she's friends with, nothing doesnt say 'trans rights'.

By 'people' she means men.

Always only important to run around like headless chickens over the best interests of a very small group of men with significant issues and in many cases a high level of comorbidity of lack of hinges and sexually violent ideation, shading into actual sexual offenders.

And to ignore the entire female half of the population.

Totally a position of privilege. Not a jot of understanding that when humans lose body parts they don’t remotely look like the opposite sex.

I suppose she'd also argue against registering sex on arrest because an overweight man with moobs could be mistaken for not being a man any more.

I really hope one day she considers what a fool she was by parroting sentences from a 16 year old TRA from Reddit.

OMG what if a woman has short hair or alopecia, how on earth could we tell what sex they are? Biggest eye roll ever.

Nor the capacity to understand - or care - that this leaves some women with no spaces or resources or access at all and will involve an ongoing yearly body count of women harmed by these men through harassment, assault and worse. As has happened since this whole experiment began.

It is fundamentalism. It is male supremacism. It is based on the fundamental belief that male humans hold value that female humans absolutely do not. And that the birthright of actual women and girls is as props and resources for male lives.

It revolts me. How does someone walk around with this kind of 18th century mindset. There is no actual skin off the nose of any man in the UK to have parallel usable facilities to use while permitting single sex female only facilities alongside. None. No man needs access to an unconsenting woman in a state of undress. No basically functional man would think he did. What is the matter with the women so frantically pandering and pimping out more vulnerable women to this?

Our kids overlapped at (private) primary school. She had a bit of a reputation of being one of "those" parents.

I don't really get it. Gove and Cameron seemed to have no problem using nearby state schools, whereas she was not the only left leaning politician who didn't. As if they disapprove of private schools as a bastion of privilege, but still want the best for their own children.

We all make choices, but it then becomes difficult if a politician tries to assume a moral high ground.

Agree @Needmoresleep - and that privilege means she'll never find herself in the position that many vulnerable women are, and won't , for example, find herself sharing a prison with a man. It's very easy to #BeKind from a place of safety and security.

Remember the time she said people who didn’t welcome “trans women” as “refugees” (to womanhood, presumably) should take care they don’t “die in a fire”, echoing TRA rhetoric and threats. She’s vile.