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Darlington nurses win their employment tribunal

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Lovelyview · 16/01/2026 11:43

https://christianconcern.com/ccpressreleases/victory-for-darlington-nurses-as-judge-rules-policy-that-allows-men-into-womens-changing-rooms-is-unlawful-harassment-and-discrimination/

Brilliant news!

Victory for Darlington nurses as Judge rules policy that allows men into women’s changing rooms is unlawful harassment and discrimination - Christian Concern

In a landmark judgment, an Employment Tribunal has ruled that County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust unlawfully discriminated against and harassed the female nurses by requiring them to share female-only changing rooms with a biological male...

https://christianconcern.com/ccpressreleases/victory-for-darlington-nurses-as-judge-rules-policy-that-allows-men-into-womens-changing-rooms-is-unlawful-harassment-and-discrimination/

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rebax · 17/01/2026 16:20

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 17/01/2026 14:47

What is Rose’s discrimination claim?

I'm not sure I've seen a full description but IIRC a claim for harassment arising from the the nurses
' complaint.

Conxis · 17/01/2026 16:25

Is the disciplinary cases against the nurses to do with them going to the press and as a result Rose being identified, although not by them? Anyone know?

WarriorN · 17/01/2026 16:51

Morecoffeewanted · 17/01/2026 12:12

Would this type of result be more likely to succeed as a criminal or private prosecution? I can imagine that the nurses are too busy to concentrate on this though.

There is outraging public decency as an offence. Section 5 if the public order act. Also a civil case under the Equality act.

Just thinking out loud here. No idea if feasible.

Rose knew he was causing offence at some stage, his 'friends' knew this when they posted the sign on the door.

IANAL but moving forward I feel men who now continue to break those laws and boundaries could be seen to be harassing

as could the service provider for not ensuring that these spaces are female only

obviously the law hasn’t changed but everyone appears to have been naive to what the law was. 🤨

There’s no room for “naivety” now.

whatwouldafeministdo · 17/01/2026 16:56

WarriorN · 17/01/2026 16:51

IANAL but moving forward I feel men who now continue to break those laws and boundaries could be seen to be harassing

as could the service provider for not ensuring that these spaces are female only

obviously the law hasn’t changed but everyone appears to have been naive to what the law was. 🤨

There’s no room for “naivety” now.

Yes. Let's hope.

I also hope Jo Phoenix is now funded to do some really good sociological research on the extent to which women are and have been a) excluded from public life / the workplace by including males in female spaces and b) harmed and distressed by both this destruction of single sex spaces and also the coercion of false language and McCarthyesque denunciation when noticing material reality etc around it.

The number of qualified women who would apply to work on that project I'd imagine would be very long.

Cars4Gov · 17/01/2026 17:06

Sky news report on it. Refers to "a transgender colleague" and not a transgender woman.
Victoria McCloud on the report now. Says the supreme court thing is a poorly written judgement

Glad someone else raised this as I was very surprised by the poor reporting and platforming McCloud as an expert. His comments on FWS were false and there was no challenged by Sky News. Will need to watch for their reporting as it seems they might have inherited the BBC trans desk.

Over on Reddit, TRAs mentioned trying to get on NHS trusts to influence decisions.

The sooner BP stops playing politics and releases the guidance the better because it's public money that it being spent, money the NHS can ill afford. There needs to be accountability of the NHS staff who failed to take legal advice or adhere to the law. Why aren't people being sacked?

nicepotoftea · 17/01/2026 17:17

murasaki · 16/01/2026 23:26

The transmen gotcha is when bad faith actors introduce the idea of a transman in women's changing rooms. Expecting women to go 'oh no', leaving the transman with nowhere to go. Except most women say, fine, in the women's, as they're biologically female. So it's dropped as soon as it gets a response.

Also ignores the risk of trans men using men's facilities, as demonstrated in that hospital.

I think that it needs to be acknowledge that risk to men and women is not symmetrical, regardless of how they identify.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 17/01/2026 17:33

Cars4Gov · 17/01/2026 17:06

Sky news report on it. Refers to "a transgender colleague" and not a transgender woman.
Victoria McCloud on the report now. Says the supreme court thing is a poorly written judgement

Glad someone else raised this as I was very surprised by the poor reporting and platforming McCloud as an expert. His comments on FWS were false and there was no challenged by Sky News. Will need to watch for their reporting as it seems they might have inherited the BBC trans desk.

Over on Reddit, TRAs mentioned trying to get on NHS trusts to influence decisions.

The sooner BP stops playing politics and releases the guidance the better because it's public money that it being spent, money the NHS can ill afford. There needs to be accountability of the NHS staff who failed to take legal advice or adhere to the law. Why aren't people being sacked?

Edited

It is probably less than helpful to believe the perceptions of legal professionals who have direct skin in the game for obvious reasons, not least a way of life that fundamentally involves denying and avoiding unwanted information.

The SCJ is quite evidently not poorly written at all to anyone who actually takes the time to read it. 'Not liking it or agreeing with it' is not the same at all as 'I can't/no one could understand it', but that is a confused belief often identified within the field of psychology, as a form of evasion and control. See 'MiL says (even after we had long conversations and sent her several long letters explaining in detail) that she doesn't understand why we won't visit any more'. MiL understands perfectly well, she just wants to carry on with her behaviours and meet her needs through them without inconvenient resistance.

Activist groups can bully NHS trusts all they like. If the trusts are stupid enough to listen there's going to be ongoing continual court cases, awful PR, increasing ire from the taxpayers, and a lot of heavy cost. It seems that a lot of the establishment are perfectly happy to throw (other people's) money at nonsense to support their own misogynistic political agendas in positions of supposed responsibility, but if that's what it takes.... eventually it will get easier/more incentivised to say no and withstand the behaviours rather than take the consequences. The thing these people don't realise - that has been pointed out on here for years and years now - the point of 'no' will eventually be reached. The time will come when it has to be said and meant. And it would have been one hell of a lot easier, kinder and less bloody stupid to have said it years back.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2026 17:45

Cars4Gov · 17/01/2026 17:06

Sky news report on it. Refers to "a transgender colleague" and not a transgender woman.
Victoria McCloud on the report now. Says the supreme court thing is a poorly written judgement

Glad someone else raised this as I was very surprised by the poor reporting and platforming McCloud as an expert. His comments on FWS were false and there was no challenged by Sky News. Will need to watch for their reporting as it seems they might have inherited the BBC trans desk.

Over on Reddit, TRAs mentioned trying to get on NHS trusts to influence decisions.

The sooner BP stops playing politics and releases the guidance the better because it's public money that it being spent, money the NHS can ill afford. There needs to be accountability of the NHS staff who failed to take legal advice or adhere to the law. Why aren't people being sacked?

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We can all get on patient engagement panels for local hospital trusts, health boards etc. It’s worth doing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2026 17:46

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 17/01/2026 17:33

It is probably less than helpful to believe the perceptions of legal professionals who have direct skin in the game for obvious reasons, not least a way of life that fundamentally involves denying and avoiding unwanted information.

The SCJ is quite evidently not poorly written at all to anyone who actually takes the time to read it. 'Not liking it or agreeing with it' is not the same at all as 'I can't/no one could understand it', but that is a confused belief often identified within the field of psychology, as a form of evasion and control. See 'MiL says (even after we had long conversations and sent her several long letters explaining in detail) that she doesn't understand why we won't visit any more'. MiL understands perfectly well, she just wants to carry on with her behaviours and meet her needs through them without inconvenient resistance.

Activist groups can bully NHS trusts all they like. If the trusts are stupid enough to listen there's going to be ongoing continual court cases, awful PR, increasing ire from the taxpayers, and a lot of heavy cost. It seems that a lot of the establishment are perfectly happy to throw (other people's) money at nonsense to support their own misogynistic political agendas in positions of supposed responsibility, but if that's what it takes.... eventually it will get easier/more incentivised to say no and withstand the behaviours rather than take the consequences. The thing these people don't realise - that has been pointed out on here for years and years now - the point of 'no' will eventually be reached. The time will come when it has to be said and meant. And it would have been one hell of a lot easier, kinder and less bloody stupid to have said it years back.

This.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/01/2026 18:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2026 11:52

There were many men impotently railing on Reddit this morning that “transphobes” should be made to pay for this.

I did. £100, in fact. It was my big Xmas donation.

PeopleTheyAintNoGood · 17/01/2026 22:35

Happy to be a 'transphobe' that paid.

I also like the idea of the 'bigot only' toilets previously mentioned on there as well.

So it's not all bad 😂.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 17/01/2026 23:17

The process is the punishment for women who dare stand up to men and the trans cult.

There is of course no punishment for the men who ask women if they have “big pregnancy breasts” or urge them to undress in front of men.

I’m so glad these brave women had each other for support. I hope more future cases are brought by groups of women, as the struggle alone, eg for the magnificent Sandie Peggie, must be very hard to bear.

Love and congratulations to them all xxx

nicepotoftea · 18/01/2026 09:59

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/01/2026 09:36

I see Unison have come out on the side of trans people before even reading the judgement. Utterly utterly shameful bias.

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

Not really clear whose side they are on - certainly not women, but possibly not even trans people if their policy is to give them advice that will land them in court.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/01/2026 10:01

Is unison the one led by the woman who had never heard of the Sandie Peggie case, has a trans 'nephew' and was voted in on 7% of the membership turning out?

PronounssheRa · 18/01/2026 10:03

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/01/2026 09:36

I see Unison have come out on the side of trans people before even reading the judgement. Utterly utterly shameful bias.

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

UNISON policy remains the same and the union stands by its beliefs in the rights of our trans, non-binary and gender diverse members.Not a single word about the rights of women. That is where we are with unions, but they have always been a boys club.

1984Now · 18/01/2026 10:09

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/01/2026 09:36

I see Unison have come out on the side of trans people before even reading the judgement. Utterly utterly shameful bias.

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

Yep, it's 300 pages long, just to let women know we haven't read it yet, but we've already decided who we stand with, and it's not you.
Two observations, add this "we stand with trans" to "do bears shit in woods?" and "is the Pope a Catholic?" tropes.
But more interestingly, it's been a few days, no-one at the union has actually read the judgement? WTF do these people do all day?
Oh yes, spend days formulating statements like "we stand with trans".

SwirlyGates · 18/01/2026 11:23

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/01/2026 09:36

I see Unison have come out on the side of trans people before even reading the judgement. Utterly utterly shameful bias.

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

How many trans members do they have? How many women members? Why are they so biased?

Are there any unions that support women's rights? (I mean really support them, not just say they do while prioritising men and pretendy-women over actual women.)

BunfightBetty · 18/01/2026 11:37

No surprise Unison are: a) anti-women; b) too lazy and self-congratulatory to bother reading the judgement to see if perhaps they might be wrong and need to adjust their approach; and c) arrogant enough to signal that proudly in neon.

Women members should vote with their feet.

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/01/2026 11:43

BunfightBetty · 18/01/2026 11:37

No surprise Unison are: a) anti-women; b) too lazy and self-congratulatory to bother reading the judgement to see if perhaps they might be wrong and need to adjust their approach; and c) arrogant enough to signal that proudly in neon.

Women members should vote with their feet.

Edited

Unfortunately some of the worst trade unionists and union leaders are female themselves.

The new leader (General Secretary) of UNISON, the UK's largest public service union, is Andrea Egan, elected in December 2025 and starting her five-year term in January 2026, succeeding Christina McAnea.

BunfightBetty · 18/01/2026 12:18

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/01/2026 11:43

Unfortunately some of the worst trade unionists and union leaders are female themselves.

The new leader (General Secretary) of UNISON, the UK's largest public service union, is Andrea Egan, elected in December 2025 and starting her five-year term in January 2026, succeeding Christina McAnea.

Edited

True. She’s the captured handmaiden numpty with the trans niece/nephew, isn’t she?

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/01/2026 12:45

BunfightBetty · 18/01/2026 12:18

True. She’s the captured handmaiden numpty with the trans niece/nephew, isn’t she?

Yers, and she appears to have stated that there is no issue that exists that she'd "even want to understand" that would convince her of the necessity of single sex facilities ( or words to that effect). She compared the exclusion of males from female spaces to excluding people because of their hair colour.

Absolute stupidity.

1984Now · 18/01/2026 12:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/01/2026 12:45

Yers, and she appears to have stated that there is no issue that exists that she'd "even want to understand" that would convince her of the necessity of single sex facilities ( or words to that effect). She compared the exclusion of males from female spaces to excluding people because of their hair colour.

Absolute stupidity.

Edited

To be so proud of your abject stupidity is something to behold.

1984Now · 18/01/2026 13:21

I see the BBC piece today, where clarity is being demanded (HalleFuckingLujah!) referred to the trans nurse as "they".
Double sin bin for Auntie.
Not only are they not using the factually correct "him", but even in maintaining trans ideology language, they're misgendering "her" as non binary.
Impressive even for the fully captured (laudable exception Justin Webb) BBC.

EasternStandard · 18/01/2026 13:29

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/01/2026 09:36

I see Unison have come out on the side of trans people before even reading the judgement. Utterly utterly shameful bias.

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

Bloody hell. What a statement.