The Times reporting on dyspraxia claimant winning after being disciplined for forgetting trans colleagues pronouns

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Worker who forgot trans colleague’s pronouns wins disability claim

https://www.thetimes.com/article/1d9a35df-478c-4033-a8c5-baf072feba80?shareToken=901f34445e06a9db66e3fcf1958cf17b

That classic male response: crying from emotion

The hearing was also told that another colleague had “made it clear” that Sylvester should not misgender CD in the future and that CD had later been found crying. Sylvester was said to have tried to speak to CD, but CD refused.

So much for DEI.

Clearly being trans trumps being disabled.

Really glad she won. But what an ordeal to have to go through.

Ffs. So they prioritised some bloke's ladyfeels over a genuine disability. So kind So inclusive. Wankers!

I believe the colleague was a trans man not a trans woman

The article says "the person had transitioned from female to male" and most of the posters seem to have managed to read that bit.

I didn't entirely follow the rest of NumberGuy's semi-literate stream of consciousness, but it seems to include the new-to-me claim that trans people have the protected characteristic of disability owing to their dysmorphia. Is there nothing the TRAs won't appropriate?

There's certainly nothing that Numbers Guy won't appropriate in his ongoing mission to destroy women only spaces

The person is female.

One of the many problems caused by Gender Ideology is that it creates people like CD, a 'trans man', who are emotionally very fragile. These people are reliant on everyone else pretending that humans can change their sex. They can't. CD was and always will be female.

The Equality Act 2010 is very clear that 'Trans Men are Women' and 'Trans Women are Men'. The Act also requires employers to make reasonable adjustments to support their staff with disabilities.

Dyspraxia is considered a disability under the Act. Being transgender is not, however.

According to the Times article:

Bosses told Sylvester [employee with dyspraxia] not to have any “physical interaction” with the rest of her team, which shared an open plan office with about 40 other staff. As a result, she was forced to book a back room on the same floor when she worked on the campus to ensure that she “did not risk coming into contact with CD [employee identifying as trans man]”.

This is outrageous. I hope the damages to be paid by Manchester University to Sylvester are very significant. The University has behaved abominably, and it clearly remains in the grip of this absurd science-denying ideology.

The Equality Act 2010 is very clear that 'Trans Men are Women' and 'Trans Women are Men'. Manchester University needs to accept this and update its policies accordingly.

‘Bosses told Sylvester [employee with dyspraxia] not to have any “physical interaction” with the rest of her team, which shared an open plan office with about 40 other staff. As a result, she was forced to book a back room on the same floor when she worked on the campus to ensure that she “did not risk coming into contact with CD ’

sounds like the only person being harassed was Sylvester! That’s outrageous

"Bosses told Sylvester not to have any “physical interaction” with the rest of her team, which shared an open plan office with about 40 other staff. As a result, she was forced to book a back room on the same floor when she worked on the campus to ensure that she “did not risk coming into contact with CD”."

Even if I assumed that someone is deliberately misgendering me, I still wouldn't want anything that drastic to happen to them.

Also, I totally expected my colleagues to misgender me for many months after I transitioned, and it never made me cry when it happened, ffs! This is such ridiculous shit.

The university’s “solution” has shades of the Sandie Peggie judgement. The “solution” is to keep the disagreeing colleagues apart. But that wld only ever work when there are a tiny number of colleagues in “disagreement”. (See judge SK saying there was no longer harassment once Peggie and Upton were on different shifts.) And of course that’s not what the law says anyway.

I’m fascinated how the judge is going to rule in the case of the Darlington nurses. As obviously there are too many to make the “keep them apart” solution work. Will he just criticise the nurses for not following correct procedures and stop his judgement there I wonder?!

I have Nominative aphasia, I have always assumed this was a comorbidity of dyslexia but it may be the dyspraxia.
i found it extremely difficult to remember to use the correct “pronouns” of a colleague. The language I understand has only He, she and it as first person pronouns. Anything else is a name you have chosen and want others to use.
your characterisation of playing the system would be the accusing someone in a wheelchair of this when they were accused of upsetting a colleague by not standing when they entered a room.
if your disability means you can’t “comply” it’s obvious discrimination to penalise you for being disabled.

The person was a trans identifying female, whom presumably the claimant used female pronouns for.

Trans trumps everything

What are you talking about? We know it was a female who wanted to be seen as male - the article says that! The rest of your comment is just waffle.

Person has an ego problem and needs to belt the fuck up.

Pronouns are coercive control. She's still female. An abusive female.

What concerns me over everything else in this situation is that the claimant had to link her claim to her disability rather than to her right not to have her language policed! It seems that her employers haven’t heard of the Forstater judgement at all.
She has been treated appallingly by myriad colleagues. They should hang their heads in shame.

Dyspraxia may not impact intelligence, but from my DDs it does impact word recall ('arms of the tree' is a favourite one of mine that one DC came out with).
It is hard enough for most of us to purposely mis-pronoun someone in order to not upset them; it must be way harder for someone with dyslexia/dyspraxia/processing issues.

Its a female to male trans person, hence all the female behaviour.

Sure, agreed.

We see it happen so often don't we. The mere mention of trans and suddenly everyone loses their minds/professionalism/ability to follow due process and switches to absolutely terrified mode

I don't think it's a wild assumption given what we know generally about why young women transition compared to men that CD is probably rather young given they transitioned in 2021 and probably visibly female which won't have made things any easier

“dumb is forever” - gosh

shame you never learned to read

“Sylvester argued successfully at an employment tribunal that dyspraxia, a condition that caused “short-term memory problems”, had made it difficult for her to remember the right pronouns after her colleague’s transition”

Not sure I agree with approaches that argue for disability as an "excuse" for correctly gendering someone who doesn't want to be correctly gendered. The implication is that everyone else is capable of inverting their thoughts and filtering their language and should do so.