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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Taztoy · 13/01/2026 18:03

Some people are just dicks. Regardless of their gender.

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2026 18:06

PriOn1 · 13/01/2026 17:37

“Body dysmorphia is just an equally recognized diagnosis.”

But this was a patient whose (assumed) body dysmorphia had been treated, using all the latest psychological and physiological treatment in the form of transition.

Are you saying that transition doesn’t cure it after all? It’s almost as if the whole “transition cures body dysmorphia” claim is untrue.

Sad days!

Edited

Other people have to make 'reasonable' adjustments for disability.

Forcing others to use fake pronouns to uphold a fantasy, is not reasonable.

DrPrunesqualer · 13/01/2026 20:47

MyThreeWords · 13/01/2026 09:45

Something I find strange about this case:
Surely the burden of proof should be on the people investigating the woman, to demonstrate that she acted with malice? It shouldn't be on her to prove that she simply spoke with the ordinary habits of language?

Most people, other than a specific cohort of youngish people who have grown into adulthood in the context of this ideology, are primed to allocate pronouns on the basis of sex and it takes a certain amount of persistent mental effort to keep doing the opposite (especially in a context where you have work requirements that are making demands on your cognitive resources).

In a way, this woman was fortunate in having a documented reason why she was finding it hard. But plenty of other people might also find it particularly hard and not have such documentation. Anxiety, menopausal brain fog, stress, etc., as well as various forms of neurodivergence. Do all such people have to prove that their language use was without any agenda of hostility? Why, seemingly, is no consideration given to the idea that the offence of 'misgendering' is only substantiated if there is evidence of hostility to the trans identity, and of an unwillingness to keep that hostility out of the workplace?

Agree and of course that is the basis of our entire justice system
‘Innocence unless proven guilty’

So why is this misgendering issue treated differently from absolutely everything else !

Heggettypeg · 13/01/2026 21:10

DrPrunesqualer · 13/01/2026 20:47

Agree and of course that is the basis of our entire justice system
‘Innocence unless proven guilty’

So why is this misgendering issue treated differently from absolutely everything else !

See also "Non-crime hate incidents" and "Microaggressions". It's a dangerous mindset.

Heggettypeg · 13/01/2026 21:43

centaury · 13/01/2026 08:51

Not sure I agree with approaches that argue for disability as an "excuse" for correctly gendering someone who doesn't want to be correctly gendered. The implication is that everyone else is capable of inverting their thoughts and filtering their language and should do so.

I'll tell you a true story (names changed):
Years ago, my dad and my little brother were working together, mending a bicycle.
My dad said something like "pass me the spanner, Martin".
Martin wasn't my brother's name, it was the name of my father's youngest brother.
It wasn't intentional and certainly not malicious. My dad wasn't suffering from dementia, nor was he (so far as I know) ND, or in the habit of muddling names.
His theory was that some part of his mind had reverted to when he used to fix bikes etc. with his little brother.
That may well explain that particular incident, but there's a wider implication, which is that if we're focussing closely on the matter in hand, the part of our mind dealing with routine matters of language is more or less on autopilot. What it retrieves for use may be the latest, corrected and updated version of the information it needs, or it may be some earlier version that's still kicking around in the brain. In this case it managed to conflate two different people, let alone pre- and post- transition versions of the same one. Without intent, without malice, and without any disability involved.

Anactor · 13/01/2026 22:02

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You do realise some of us have real life experience of dyspraxia?

It affects short term memory, word recall and organising speech. All of which would need to be taken into consideration if you were accusing someone of forgetting pronouns.

But it wasn’t, which is discriminatory against someone with a disability.

JanesLittleGirl · 13/01/2026 22:49

Please stop quoting @NumbersGuy. He only exists as a badly programmed chair to keyboard interface.

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