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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Title IX - Supreme Court Hearings

117 replies

PersonIrresponsible · 05/01/2026 23:32

On January 13th, there will be two cases heard in the US Supreme Court to determine whether those with XY chromosomes, or to be exact: male, can compete in Women's Sport.

The American Civil Liberties Union are suing to ensure that Trans People (men) can participate in Women's Sport.

Next stop: Weeping Olympics: The place where feelings are competed for.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/01/2026 23:48

Is this elite sport or all sporting events? Sorry for my ignorance of the case.

GallantKumquat · 06/01/2026 05:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/01/2026 23:48

Is this elite sport or all sporting events? Sorry for my ignorance of the case.

The Title IX lawsuit is interesting. On the one hand it's a fairly narrow case - it asks the question: does 'sex' mean biological sex or does it mean gender identity with respect to Title IX, Title IX being a law that stipulates that in order for schools to obtain federal funds they must not discriminate on the basis of sex. One of the implications of Title IX is that if schools have sports programs like football that are by their very nature not coed, then they must also have sports programs that are exclusively for girls and there must be parity between the two programs.

So, a ruling against American Civil Liberties Union would most likely involve a blanket determination that 'sex' must be interpreted as 'biological sex' in all instances of federal administration law and that it's impermissible for administrative law to blur that distinction or redefine sex to mean gender. That would be a seismic ruling with major reverberations throughout the US legal system. It would essentially be a clean reset of GI encroachment though administrative law and friendly judicial rulings and would require future gender identity recognition in law to be grounded in positive legislation explicitly defining it. In addition there's evidence to indicate the the US Supreme Court is anxious to make such a ruling.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/01/2026 05:55

Thank you!🙏

JellySaurus · 06/01/2026 05:59

Would this be equivalent to the UK Supreme Court clarification of the meaning of ‘woman’ in the Equality Act, or would it have different ramifications?

GallantKumquat · 06/01/2026 07:02

JellySaurus · 06/01/2026 05:59

Would this be equivalent to the UK Supreme Court clarification of the meaning of ‘woman’ in the Equality Act, or would it have different ramifications?

There's a similarity in the cases, but a huge difference between US and UK legal systems that makes it difficult to compare the two.

The biggest differences are that in US federal law interfaces with state law in way that's very different than how British law interfaces with devolved law. States will still be able to define sex to be gender identity either through administrative encroachment or affirmative law by state legislatures. However that won't be permitted to be done in way that contradicts federal law (and the US SC interpretation). Without the US SC judgement it's impossible to know what that cohabitation of concepts 'federal sex' vs 'state sex' will look like.

The second difference is that the U.S. Supreme Court typically issues broader, more doctrinally ambitious rulings than the UK Supreme Court. In the FWS ruling the UK Supreme Court set forth its principles and the reasoning that it used to arrive at its ruling, but ruled relatively narrowly. By contrast, the US Supreme Court often uses individual cases - including statutory cases - to articulate wide‑ranging constitutional or interpretive principles that reshape entire areas of law. As a result, a Title IX ruling redefining ‘sex’ would likely be more explicitly sweeping in downstream effects than the UK SC’s FWS judgment.

EmpressaurusKitty · 06/01/2026 07:16

And it’s taking long enough to get it all implemented here in the UK without having federal vs state law to deal with.

Britinme · 06/01/2026 19:47

GallantKumquat · 06/01/2026 07:02

There's a similarity in the cases, but a huge difference between US and UK legal systems that makes it difficult to compare the two.

The biggest differences are that in US federal law interfaces with state law in way that's very different than how British law interfaces with devolved law. States will still be able to define sex to be gender identity either through administrative encroachment or affirmative law by state legislatures. However that won't be permitted to be done in way that contradicts federal law (and the US SC interpretation). Without the US SC judgement it's impossible to know what that cohabitation of concepts 'federal sex' vs 'state sex' will look like.

The second difference is that the U.S. Supreme Court typically issues broader, more doctrinally ambitious rulings than the UK Supreme Court. In the FWS ruling the UK Supreme Court set forth its principles and the reasoning that it used to arrive at its ruling, but ruled relatively narrowly. By contrast, the US Supreme Court often uses individual cases - including statutory cases - to articulate wide‑ranging constitutional or interpretive principles that reshape entire areas of law. As a result, a Title IX ruling redefining ‘sex’ would likely be more explicitly sweeping in downstream effects than the UK SC’s FWS judgment.

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In my state, boys are allowed to compete against girls if they state a transgender identity. I for one look forward to the SC judgement on this issue as I think it will go in a sex-realism direction. It is possible that the three liberal women justices (Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson) may dissent on ideological grounds, and if they do I look forward to reading their rationale to see how coherent they can make it.

Brefugee · 06/01/2026 20:17

i think a ruling against biological reality should lead to more and more boys saying they are girls and making the whole thing so public and ridiculous that people finally take notice.

And then when there are 10 boys in the finals of the girls 100m, girls can say "oh i know, we'll set up a girls event" and we start all over again

Britinme · 07/01/2026 12:24

The allegations made by Adaleia Cross, just for the info of people who aren’t familiar with US school grades, took place when she was fourteen and the trans athlete thirteen. Depending how old they are within their year group either could have been one year younger. One of my granddaughters is 13, will be 14 in a couple of months, and is in 8th grade, which is the top grade of middle school.

Raquelos · 07/01/2026 16:31

fromorbit · 07/01/2026 01:53

Sunlight!

Trans athlete at center of Supreme Court case accused of sexual harassment, intimidation tactics against girls
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trans-athlete-center-supreme-court-case-accused-sexual-harassment-intimidation-tactics-against-girls

Archive link:

https://archive.ph/gnZUJ

To spread that sunlight even further 🙂

whatwouldafeministdo · 07/01/2026 16:48

Raquelos · 07/01/2026 16:31

Archive link:

https://archive.ph/gnZUJ

To spread that sunlight even further 🙂

It makes me so angry. It's government and school sanctioned sexual harassment of girls. Him being in their changing room is sexual harassment before you get to him using the power he has as a boy and making such disgusting comments.

I believe her.

I also don't think the adults who are failing at safeguarding and adulting are doing what's best for him. They're pretty much making him into an abuser because he knows he can get away with anything and they'll roll over. He's a teenage boy, of course he's going to push boundaries but there are no healthy boundaries. He's been offered up the competitions and bodies of girls on a platter.

whatwouldafeministdo · 07/01/2026 16:52

I also think we shouldn't underestimate what huge bravery those girls have shown by speaking up. There will be countless adults who are wedded to the insane ideology that boys can become girls (just by saying so, regardless of their bodily differences) who will be gunning for them now. There's two of them, I bet there are a dozen more at least scared to speak up.

Shame on those school officials for doing nothing about sexual harassment of girls and creating a situation where it's so much more likely to happen - looks like they didn't even investigate. Pathetic, craven, misogynistic cowards the lot of them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2026 22:49

whatwouldafeministdo · 07/01/2026 16:52

I also think we shouldn't underestimate what huge bravery those girls have shown by speaking up. There will be countless adults who are wedded to the insane ideology that boys can become girls (just by saying so, regardless of their bodily differences) who will be gunning for them now. There's two of them, I bet there are a dozen more at least scared to speak up.

Shame on those school officials for doing nothing about sexual harassment of girls and creating a situation where it's so much more likely to happen - looks like they didn't even investigate. Pathetic, craven, misogynistic cowards the lot of them.

💯

Valeriekat · 11/01/2026 07:38

Britinme · 06/01/2026 19:47

In my state, boys are allowed to compete against girls if they state a transgender identity. I for one look forward to the SC judgement on this issue as I think it will go in a sex-realism direction. It is possible that the three liberal women justices (Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson) may dissent on ideological grounds, and if they do I look forward to reading their rationale to see how coherent they can make it.

However Title IX comes with Federal funding which the States wont be able to get if they don't comply with the law which is what the Supreme Court will rule on.

Valeriekat · 11/01/2026 07:41

Fingers crossed SCOTUS rule to protect the girls.

OldCrone · 11/01/2026 08:43

whatwouldafeministdo · 07/01/2026 16:48

It makes me so angry. It's government and school sanctioned sexual harassment of girls. Him being in their changing room is sexual harassment before you get to him using the power he has as a boy and making such disgusting comments.

I believe her.

I also don't think the adults who are failing at safeguarding and adulting are doing what's best for him. They're pretty much making him into an abuser because he knows he can get away with anything and they'll roll over. He's a teenage boy, of course he's going to push boundaries but there are no healthy boundaries. He's been offered up the competitions and bodies of girls on a platter.

From the article:

The trans athlete filed a lawsuit in July 2021, at age 11, successfully blocking West Virginia's law that prohibits biological males from competing in girls' sports.

In April 2024, a federal appeals court upheld the block on West Virginia's law, saying the law cannot lawfully be applied to a middle school-aged trans girl who has been taking puberty-blocking medication and has publicly identified as a girl since third grade.

Transed by his parents at the age of 8.

Parents going to court when he's 11 to ensure that he knows he can just take what he wants from girls.

Completely fucked up and sexually harassing girls by 13.

The parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.

MarieDeGournay · 11/01/2026 15:48

GallantKumquat, you're very good at explaining things clearly, your explanations of the differences between US/UK legal systems are so clear they are exemplary, thank you!Smile

fromorbit · 12/01/2026 10:05

The impact of this decision will be huge.

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Washington Post
Editorial Board
Trans athletes head to the Supreme Court
Neither science, nor the American public, is on their side.
January 11, 2026
The Supreme Court has the chance this week to save women’s sports, allowing states to restore a level playing field for girls by excluding biological men and thereby correcting one of the worst excesses of America’s cultural revolution.
On Tuesday, the justices will hear oral arguments in challenges to laws enacted by West Virginia and Idaho. The court is weighing whether blocking biological males who identify as women from participating in female sports violates their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. The answer is obviously no, and the very existence of these cases represents a failure of policy and politics.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2026.01.12-015048/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/11/supreme-court-trans-sports-transgender" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2026.01.12-015048/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/11/supreme-court-trans-sports-transgender/

Supreme Court’s trans sports case pits women’s rights against men’s feelings

https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/opinion/supreme-courts-trans-sports-case-womens-rights-vs-mens-feelings/

Supreme Court’s trans sports case pits women’s rights against men’s feelings

The question before the court is simple: Can states protect women’s rights based on sex? Or does gender identity trump sex — and override civil-rights law?

https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/opinion/supreme-courts-trans-sports-case-womens-rights-vs-mens-feelings/

fromorbit · 12/01/2026 10:08

Raquelos · 07/01/2026 16:31

Archive link:

https://archive.ph/gnZUJ

To spread that sunlight even further 🙂

The "trans" boy involved in these allegations is getting puff pieces written about him in run up to the hearing not mentioning the harassment .

Helleofabore · 12/01/2026 15:41

I don't think that this teenaged boy has grown up with many boundaries from the reports of the girls who have been in school teams with him.

Helleofabore · 12/01/2026 15:48

http://archive.today/p42oT

This was interesting from the WaPo.

Trans athletes head to the Supreme Court
Neither science, nor the American public, is on their side.
January 11, 2026

"The Supreme Court has the chance this week to save women’s sports, allowing states to restore a level playing field for girls by excluding biological men and thereby correcting one of the worst excesses of America’s cultural revolution.

On Tuesday, the justices will hear oral arguments in challenges to laws enacted by West Virginia and Idaho. The court is weighing whether blocking biological males who identify as women from participating in female sports violates their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. The answer is obviously no, and the very existence of these cases represents a failure of policy and politics."

And it goes on.

I did think the journo perhaps didn't think about the statement that male athletes are 'better' than female athletes. This is not true at all. But over all, it is more sunlight.

fromorbit · 13/01/2026 06:02

WomenAreReal

How much fire power is backing the legal fight to allow male athletes in girls' and women's sports?

Almost $1 Billion

From publicly available 990’s:
Lambda Legal: $58.5 million (2024) / Unstoppable Fund: $285 million

ACLU (combined ACLU Inc. and ACLU Foundation, excludes affiliates): $383 million (2024)

Transgender Law Center: $15.7 million (2024)

National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR): $4.44 million (2024)

Trevor Project: $71.2 million (2024)

Human Rights Campaign (HRC): $45.9 million (2024)

National Women’s Law Center: $41.4 million (2024)

Democracy Forward: $17.8 million (2024)