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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Identified Male Places 417th in the Boys Category then 1st in the Girl's Category

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ThisMauveQuoter · 29/12/2025 00:48

The first time she ran the 5,000 meters on the boys cross-country team, she came in 417th place. She had fun, though. She felt as fast as a fire engine when she jogged through the woods, and later, after she joined the track team, her male teammates didn’t say anything when she ran in a skirt. She almost felt like she belonged, but she knew she wasn’t one of them.
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Today would be the first time in nine months that she would race against her toughest competitor, a junior named Lauren Matthew. Lauren was one of the best athletes in Eastern Washington. She played soccer for a nearly undefeated team. She raced club track in the summers. And she had finished just behind Verónica at the 2024 state championships.
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Now, it was a Saturday in late March, and few people had come to watch their first rematch. Lauren and Verónica crouched into position one lane apart, but they didn’t look at each other. A gun fired. They bolted out of their blocks, and suddenly, Verónica wasn’t hungry or afraid. She ran with the kind of joy she only felt in competition, and when she and Lauren crossed the finish line, the scoreboard showed they had both clocked personal records — 56.65 seconds for Lauren, 55.23 for Verónica.
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Verónica looked at the awards she had hung on the wall. She won most of them at small-town events. Last year, she earned her first big medal — the 2A Washington state championship in the girls’ 400 meters. The win had changed her life, but not in the ways she had hoped. Colleges had not sent her scholarship offers or letters of interest. Her high school had not listed her on its wall of champions. All she had to show for that win was a gold medal and a growing list of people around the country who wanted to take it away.

Trans Identified Male Places 417th in the Boys Category then 1st in the Girl's Category
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Helleofabore · 29/12/2025 09:44

nauticant · 29/12/2025 09:25

I feel like the adults in official positions of authority in Garcia’s life failed him- such as his doctor, his coaches etc.

Note this:

East Valley Athletic Director Eric Vermaire said he did not want concerns about Garcia’s participation to overshadow her and the team’s accomplishments.

“Verónica contributed – no doubt about it. But it was a group of girls that did something as a team, and they are elated,” he said, noting this is the first state championship for East Valley’s girls track team since he was hired at the school seven years ago.
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Garcia said Vermaire has been her biggest supporter since coming out.

Red flags there Naut!

Fucking hell. When I read this article I was suspecting something like that.

Helleofabore · 29/12/2025 09:46

I did notice that the writer didn’t criticise the lack of welfare support in Washington State. The political tribalism was very clear in the article.

FrippEnos · 29/12/2025 09:49

The win had changed her life, but not in the ways she had hoped. Colleges had not sent her scholarship offers or letters of interest.

At least this one admits that its not just a medal and is about taking college scholarships off girls.

Re Phelps

They never talk anout how hard the man trained or how close the races were.

awrbc81 · 29/12/2025 09:53

How many girls or women run in skirts?! I’ve never seen any.
I’d like anyone trying to say this nonsense isn’t based on regressive stereotypes to explain why running in a skirt magically turned a boy into a girl 🙄

FrippEnos · 29/12/2025 09:53

lcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2025 09:20

I had a look at the original article

A transgender runner found success on the track and difficulty in life - The Washington Post https://share.google/gIe81jR38y2uihulc

There are lots of comments. I only read a few of the top ones. They mostly weren't supportive of males in women and girls sports.

Some said parts didn't ring true, Washington apparently pays for cross sex drugs but they also have a generous welfare system. They couldn't understand how his mum signed up to get the hormones but, somehow, couldn't get them more than a few portions of rice.

Also many complaints that the article was too long.

I disliked the focus on Lauren and concentrating on her 'unsupportive' behaviour it potentially puts her in the crosshairs of trans activists. Some of these people are unhinged. Some have already taken extreme actions. Imo, this is extremely irresponsible. This bloke has chosen to be the subject of this pity party. I doubt Lauren had any say in any of this. Hopefully, although i didn't see any mention of it, they've used a pseudonym for her.

If you look at the links in the OP you can see that no pseudonym was used.

Helleofabore · 29/12/2025 09:53

FrippEnos · 29/12/2025 09:49

The win had changed her life, but not in the ways she had hoped. Colleges had not sent her scholarship offers or letters of interest.

At least this one admits that its not just a medal and is about taking college scholarships off girls.

Re Phelps

They never talk anout how hard the man trained or how close the races were.

Or how he was beaten by another male athlete with his own set of ‘advantages’.

The Phelps fallacy doesn’t even stack up logically. And for Griner to be mentioned … fuck! Seriously?

Pingponghavoc · 29/12/2025 10:01

As soon as they have boy inclusion policies in girls sports, they will be on the look out for these boys, in part, because there will be targets.

The article has to frame his inclusion as remarkable to justify the story, so probably had to lean heavily on other issues, but in reality its to promote TRA and inclusion policies. They are trying to balance the idea that its normal and newsworthy at the same time.

He's been fed a lie, and only following the rules set. But the girls are expected to think of boys and the team, hes been allowed to only think about himself and trans right.

He's been put in situation where hes getting used to be the center of attention and disproportionate media coverage. He will either be continuing to participate, and continuing with the media attention, or be banned and instinctively use the media to complain.

The policies are intentionally creating activists.

lcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2025 12:50

FrippEnos · 29/12/2025 09:53

If you look at the links in the OP you can see that no pseudonym was used.

It wouldn't have been difficult to find her real name even if they had. I suspect the girl in a hijab wouldn't be hard to find either. This article is incredibly irresponsible.

TheNightingalesStarling · 29/12/2025 13:03

I wonde how many of the teammates re supportive out of fear of losing their place rather than actually being a friend.

Fizbosshoes · 29/12/2025 13:11

If you needed any proof about male advantage in sport you only need watch the battle of the sexes tennis match last night. Kyrios- who hasn't played competitively recently and is ranked 700+ in the word - comfortably beat Sabalenka the current world number 1 in women's tennis

belleager · 29/12/2025 19:45

"Inside, boys whooped and jumped into each other’s arms when they crossed the relay finish line first. Girls cried, found their parents and cried some more"

Yes, you can see that this journalist is a fan of the gender stereotypes. Girls weeping decorously all around the racetrack instead of celebrating with their friends? Really?!?

Helleofabore · 29/12/2025 22:39

This is staggering from hecheated . Org on twitter.

x.com/hecheateddotorg/status/2005745055529570568?s=46

Now, it was a Saturday in late March, and few people had come to watch their first rematch. Lauren and Verónica crouched into position one lane apart, but they didn’t look at each other. A gun fired. They bolted out of their blocks, and suddenly, Verónica wasn’t hungry or afraid. She ran with the kind of joy she only felt in competition, and when she and Lauren crossed the finish line, the scoreboard showed they had both clocked personal records — 56.65 seconds for Lauren, 55.23 for Verónica."

Yes, running is fun when you win.

55.23 is an insanely fast time for a high school girl. In 2025, there were around 190 girls out of the 513,808 in high school track and field in the United States who ran under that time.

Meanwhile, 32,250 out of 644,235 boys ran 55.23 or below that same season.

That certainly puts this time run in perspective.

EdithStourton · 29/12/2025 22:46

I'm so fucking sick of this shit that I have nothing useful to say.

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 09:15

Helleofabore · 29/12/2025 09:10

There is a lot of damage being done to these children in so many ways. As well as to female athletes by this inclusion of boys and men.

Gender identity theory is misogynistic as can be seen by the outcomes.

But because he's happy be seen as a girl and competing against girls, he should because his wellbeing is priority, even in the girls sport.

Whatever reason is given to include a male in female sports events, it really is their wellbeing being prioritised. There can be no denying that.

Completely agree that gender identity theory is misogynistic. And highly damaging.

A sickening amount of damage is and has been inflicted on our children by these self serving adults who either like to feed their egos by feeling virtuous (the ‘journalist’) or who seek to deliberately game the system to win (the parents or coaches etc) or a whole set of men who have much darker impulses (WPATH).

None, absolutely none, of these people have the best interests of the children as the source of their support for transgenderism.

And I don’t mean to split hairs, but I’m not sure the ‘wellbeing’ of these children is being prioritised. Even for boys who are cheating. Not sure what I’d label it. Maybe the ‘privilege’ of males is being prioritised.

But this is not contributing to their wellbeing in the long run and is certainly to the detriment of our girls’ wellbeing.

RedToothBrush · 31/12/2025 09:27

Incels always need a female victim to punish.

Congratulations Lauren, you were picked for this honour of being beaten by a cheat and then being punished for refusing to participate in the medal, er sorry validation ceremony and taking attention away from our Nobel 'Heroine'.

The narcissism is rife. The very idea that no girls might have issues with poverty which meant they couldn't compete - they are just invisible. Only the better off girls are visible and they are to be berated for that privilege. (Another bunch of females to punish right there).

Augarden · 31/12/2025 09:28

Where's the usual concern trolls on threads like this? Come on, tell us we're just being mean, tell us the poor cheating boys need to steal girls' medals or they'll be sad. I want you to justify this.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2025 09:33

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 09:15

Completely agree that gender identity theory is misogynistic. And highly damaging.

A sickening amount of damage is and has been inflicted on our children by these self serving adults who either like to feed their egos by feeling virtuous (the ‘journalist’) or who seek to deliberately game the system to win (the parents or coaches etc) or a whole set of men who have much darker impulses (WPATH).

None, absolutely none, of these people have the best interests of the children as the source of their support for transgenderism.

And I don’t mean to split hairs, but I’m not sure the ‘wellbeing’ of these children is being prioritised. Even for boys who are cheating. Not sure what I’d label it. Maybe the ‘privilege’ of males is being prioritised.

But this is not contributing to their wellbeing in the long run and is certainly to the detriment of our girls’ wellbeing.

Including this boy in female sport was an immediate ‘hit’ of making him feel good and those who made the decision feel good. But it was only ever a falsity.

I agree. These superficial ‘feel good’ moments are not prioritising wellbeing except purely on the surface.

However, including these boys in girls sports is positioned as prioritising that child’s well being. It is purely false.

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 09:44

Yes it’s important to note that …including these boys in girls sports is positioned as prioritising that child’s well being. It is purely false. This is a disingenuous framing technique and needs to be highlighted and called out and challenged because this is the number one reason given for allowing it to happen.

And agree it’s false on multiple levels.

DierdreDaphne · 31/12/2025 09:48

Absolutely bizarre that the coaches wouldn't have ensured the kid at least had the right shoes, seeing as how they were so "engaged and supportive"

And even more bizarre that the focus is on pretending the kid is a girl to win races in the wrong category, rather than ensuring he is properly fed and shod so he can win them in his own.

It's an absolutely baroque form of "support" - "go on starving and limping kid, if we fed and shod you properly it might be harder to make the case for your cheating".

Absolutely nauseating.

DierdreDaphne · 31/12/2025 09:49

...and if course with huge amounts of permanent damage to all the other athletes, and girls sport everywhere, as enumerated upthread.

HoppityBun · 31/12/2025 09:58

What is extra to toe curling is this American narrative style journalism that turns reporting an event into a plot synopsis for a Mills and Boone novel.

RedToothBrush · 31/12/2025 10:01

HoppityBun · 31/12/2025 09:58

What is extra to toe curling is this American narrative style journalism that turns reporting an event into a plot synopsis for a Mills and Boone novel.

Well isn't that part of the fantasy? The romantic struggle of the tortured upper class poet from the Victorian age.

Seethlaw · 31/12/2025 10:05

DrBlackbird · 31/12/2025 09:15

Completely agree that gender identity theory is misogynistic. And highly damaging.

A sickening amount of damage is and has been inflicted on our children by these self serving adults who either like to feed their egos by feeling virtuous (the ‘journalist’) or who seek to deliberately game the system to win (the parents or coaches etc) or a whole set of men who have much darker impulses (WPATH).

None, absolutely none, of these people have the best interests of the children as the source of their support for transgenderism.

And I don’t mean to split hairs, but I’m not sure the ‘wellbeing’ of these children is being prioritised. Even for boys who are cheating. Not sure what I’d label it. Maybe the ‘privilege’ of males is being prioritised.

But this is not contributing to their wellbeing in the long run and is certainly to the detriment of our girls’ wellbeing.

And I don’t mean to split hairs, but I’m not sure the ‘wellbeing’ of these children is being prioritised. Even for boys who are cheating.

That's the thing that baffles me: where is the supposedly positive message to the boys in all this? "Oh sure, you can win, but only against people whom you know to be disavadvantaged against you!" How is this supposed to be positive in any way?? It doesn't build proper pride in one's abilities and results; on the contrary, it teaches those boys that they are born losers who can only get prizes if they cheat. Great lesson to burden them with as they are about to enter adult life!

And of course, it completely reinforces the belief that women and girls only exist as support objects to men and boys, which is toxic to those boys too, since a) it deprives them of positive relationships with a whole half of humanity, and b) it teaches those particular boys the contradictory messages that "You're a girl!" and "Girls are sub-humans!", and thus, "You're subhuman too!"

So these nauseating manoeuvres are literally to nobody's benefit: not the girls, obviously, but definitely not the boys' either.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2025 10:36

Oh sure, you can win, but only against people whom you know to be disavadvantaged against you!"

Sadly, the trick is to let the boy / man continue to think that they are disadvantaged enough to be a ‘match’ to that population that you have advantages over. In this case, have dodgy studies that support the falsehood.

This man has let himself believe he is sufficiently lowered his performance to deserve to be included. He was told this as a teenaged boy by those he trusted and he grasps onto it because if he allowed himself to understand the truth, I think he would have to accept his part in harming others.

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