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Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance

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lcakethereforeIam · 18/12/2025 20:55

I'm not sure if there's anything new here though

Phillipson blocks trans guidance after landmark Supreme Court ruling https://share.google/P91PBE5Cy4ROwsdA1

It's a very stark article in the Telegraph.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 19/12/2025 15:13

nicepotoftea · 19/12/2025 13:22

The thing that confuses me is that Stella Creasy has made repeated arguments that women face structural disadvantage in Parliament because of their reproductive role, yet seems completely sanguine about the prospect of removing the concept of sex from equality legislation.

Logically Stella, if anyone can have a baby, who cares? It's just a lifestyle choice.

I can imagine that Stella is only concerned when she is personally impacted in what she perceives is a negative way as a result of her sex.

Maybe she is like the Ex Tory MP, Caroline Nokes, who seemed to be wanting to give equalities protections to all of the physical aspects of being female ( Menopause, Pregnancy etc) - after which she seemed happy that 'Sex' itself would be eliminated from protection.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/12/2025 15:18

KitWyn · 19/12/2025 15:05

If we look back to Tony Blair or Margaret Thatcher we knew (broadly) what they stood for and what they wanted to achieve as Prime Minister. You might (very, very strongly) disagree, but their world view was clear.

What does Starmer stand for? What are his core values and uncrossable lines? Does he have any? Why did he want to be PM, is it just the ego trip of being in the top job?

Starmer is happy and confident when dealing with international issues. But the moment he looks inward to his own country he seems to deflate, wobble and lose all rationality and courage. It's bizarre.

His Spads should truth-bomb him:

  • Stop being weak and ineffectual
  • The PM is meant to lead, not be liked
  • Free Speech and Rule of Law are core British values. Abandon them and the voters will abandon you
  • Sack Phillipson. Do it now. Flashes of ruthlessness, as and when needed, is very beguiling. Make the backbenchers fear your wrath
  • Promote Tonia Antoniazzi. She has the resilience to deliver VAWG policies including the new EHRC Code of Practice

These are the Christmas presents the British public really really wants. Make them happy!

Starmer cannot be other than who he is. He was elected by promising all things to all people and by being non-commital when it was convenient to be so. He has never been leadership material, and as Angela Raynor said " He's the least political person I know". He doesn't have a political instinct and he has no firm guiding ideology.

IdaGlossop · 19/12/2025 15:20

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/12/2025 15:18

Starmer cannot be other than who he is. He was elected by promising all things to all people and by being non-commital when it was convenient to be so. He has never been leadership material, and as Angela Raynor said " He's the least political person I know". He doesn't have a political instinct and he has no firm guiding ideology.

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He is a Morgan McSweeny plant, so he's not his own man.

Itsallagameyouknow · 19/12/2025 15:30

OldCrone · 19/12/2025 13:52

Read it again. Don't bother commenting again until you've understood it.

I understand perfectly. She dislikes others doing things she does herself. It was quite clear the first time.

SwirlyGates · 19/12/2025 15:33

EasternStandard · 19/12/2025 09:54

Vote them out, this stuff can be changed thankfully.

But who to vote for if you're left wing? None of the left-wing parties respect women's rights.

Some of the Tory women in Scotland seem pretty on the ball with this, and if I were in one of their constituencies I think I'd be voting Tory for the first time in about 40 years.

SionnachRuadh · 19/12/2025 15:39

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/12/2025 15:18

Starmer cannot be other than who he is. He was elected by promising all things to all people and by being non-commital when it was convenient to be so. He has never been leadership material, and as Angela Raynor said " He's the least political person I know". He doesn't have a political instinct and he has no firm guiding ideology.

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He's only in Parliament in the first place because he wanted to be Ed Miliband's Attorney General. He doesn't like Parliament and barely knows his own MPs. He's never spent any significant time as a backbencher. He was promoted to the front bench because people were dazzled by his legal credentials. He was picked as a figurehead by the McSweeney operation precisely because he was basically apolitical and had no strong ideas of his own. And he won the leadership, partly because Labour members won't vote for a woman, and partly because neither Nandy nor Long-Bailey caught the imagination.

The trouble is that, once you're PM, you can't be a figurehead. There's a lot of boring bureaucratic stuff that you personally are responsible for.

I've said before, Boris was a fairly good mayor and a terrible PM. He could carry it off as mayor because he had a capable team doing the boring stuff, while he spent his time on the high-energy bumbling salesmanship that he's good at. He couldn't do that as PM, and ended up the tool of his officials.

Sunak didn't have the aversion to boring work, and was very assiduous at doing his boxes, but he didn't seem to have a vision, and nobody knew why he wanted to be PM (except to impress his FIL). So Whitehall was directionless, just in a different way.

Starmer is very like Sunak in that sense. He seems to hate the job, nobody thinks he's any good at doing it, and sometimes I think the only thing motivating him is the desire to have his own way, which is why he sticks with bad policies long after he should have dumped them.

There's a book on the history of the Ottoman Empire that explains the decline of the Empire just by them being unlucky enough to have 13 bad sultans in a row. I'm struggling to think who the last good PM was - not in terms of agreeing with them, but in terms of their ability to steer the government and get things done. Maybe Blair's first term, and that seems a lifetime ago.

Pythag · 19/12/2025 15:43

RogueFemale · 18/12/2025 21:30

It's utterly hopeless. I used to vote Tory until Brexit (and subsequent insanity, from Johnson to Truss). But I think I may return to the fold as they are the only ones addressing the trans insanity. I can't vote for any party captured by trans woo.

If you voted Labour in the last general election, then you kind of voted for this bullshit from Philipson…

SinnerBoy · 19/12/2025 15:46

Toseland · 18/12/2025 22:34

She's not got to that part yet!

I doubt she has read any of it. Her lines are precise quotes from the trans extremist zealots' emotive propaganda bullshit.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2025 15:49

IdaGlossop · 19/12/2025 14:12

Labour is moving in a dangerous direction. In less than a month, we have had the following:

  • cancellation of local elections, removing a central right of democracies
  • removal of right to jury trial for some elections
  • sentencing rights granted to magistrates with no right of appeal, removing the a right of citizens
  • a definition of Islamaphobia agreed, restricting free speech
  • arrest of a woman quietly praying on the perimeter of the exclusion zone around an abortion clinic, a restriction on the right to protest
  • failing to respect a Supreme Court ruling on single sex spaces, undermining the rights of biological women

Is anyone in No. 10 looking at what the government is doing in the round, and seeing that the rights of citizens are being eroded while power transfers to the state?

You can add to that list their retrospective jiggery-pokery to deny compensation to the hundreds of innocent people interned without trial in Northern Island in the early 1970s.

Lovelyview · 19/12/2025 15:56

Just trying to work up the energy to write another letter to my MP. I really didn't think Labour would be this bad.

RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2025 15:58

Itsallagameyouknow · 19/12/2025 12:17

That was a lot of words to say “When I do it it’s ok but I hate it when others do.”

This is why it's a complete waste of time and effort trying to explain things to the wilfully obtuse - however hard you try, and however simply and plainly you put it, they refuse to understand.

Though I mustn't discount the possibility that you are genuinely as thick as you appear to be.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/12/2025 15:59

You can bet if the SC had found the other way it would have been implemented more or less immediately.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2025 16:02

IdaGlossop · 19/12/2025 14:29

How do you conclude that everything is going according to plan when Labour's poll ratings are so dire? I think you are over-generous in believing that there is a plan.

The plan is to transfer so much power to the Govt from the people that poll ratings won't matter any more. It's called "authoritarianism".

KitWyn · 19/12/2025 16:05

Itsallagameyouknow · 19/12/2025 15:30

I understand perfectly. She dislikes others doing things she does herself. It was quite clear the first time.

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A woman occasionally using the men's toilet because she's about to piss herself, is not remotely the same as a man who always uses the women's toilet now because "he's really a woman".

The 100% male Women's Space Invader is not female. He's a predatory deluded man who doesn't care about the rights of women and girls. His want for public validation and forced compliance trumps their need for comfort and safety.

Be honest. A man goes into a public toilet. Shortly after a woman comes in, and goes into a cubicle. He might be surprised, possibly a little embarrassed and/or cross. But he won't be frightened. He's in no physical peril. The woman is no threat to him.

But, if a woman goes into a public toilet, and a few minutes later a man comes in. She'll be shocked, and most probably a little frightened. Because as with the men's toilets, the man is the threat, she's the one at risk of physical assault.

I'm assuming you're male? All women know the truth of the above from their own personal experience.

IdaGlossop · 19/12/2025 16:05

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2025 16:02

The plan is to transfer so much power to the Govt from the people that poll ratings won't matter any more. It's called "authoritarianism".

It's a possibility but not one for which there is any evidence. Historically, the UK has been much better at avoiding authoritarianism than many of its European neighbours.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2025 16:05
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RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2025 16:05

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/12/2025 14:15

I don't know if people read this, but the key thing he points out is that Phillopson's justification for not publishing the guidance is based on an untruth. The draft guidance produced by the EHRC actually gave the example of a woman taking her male child into a women's changing room and said it was fine.

Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance
nicepotoftea · 19/12/2025 16:06

RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2025 16:05

I don't know if people read this, but the key thing he points out is that Phillopson's justification for not publishing the guidance is based on an untruth. The draft guidance produced by the EHRC actually gave the example of a woman taking her male child into a women's changing room and said it was fine.

What numpties

RoyalCorgi · 19/12/2025 16:09

KitWyn · 19/12/2025 16:05

A woman occasionally using the men's toilet because she's about to piss herself, is not remotely the same as a man who always uses the women's toilet now because "he's really a woman".

The 100% male Women's Space Invader is not female. He's a predatory deluded man who doesn't care about the rights of women and girls. His want for public validation and forced compliance trumps their need for comfort and safety.

Be honest. A man goes into a public toilet. Shortly after a woman comes in, and goes into a cubicle. He might be surprised, possibly a little embarrassed and/or cross. But he won't be frightened. He's in no physical peril. The woman is no threat to him.

But, if a woman goes into a public toilet, and a few minutes later a man comes in. She'll be shocked, and most probably a little frightened. Because as with the men's toilets, the man is the threat, she's the one at risk of physical assault.

I'm assuming you're male? All women know the truth of the above from their own personal experience.

There is absolutely no point, as I've discovered, in trying to reason with this person. There are two possibilities:

  1. He is pretending not to understand, to force us to waste time coming up with long explanations.
  2. He genuinely doesn't understand because he is thick as a fucking plank.

In either case, there is really no point in engaging. Is there a block facility on Mumsnet? It would save a lot of us time and energy.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 19/12/2025 16:11

It's not the only lie she's told either.

You're left doing that thing of trying to work out - is she seriously this stupid and badly prepared? Did she seriously send someone into court who hadn't read the document they were talking about? Or are we at this point dealing with a rabble in westminster who don't care what the truth is or not? Who just say what ever they like in the moment and even when it's obvious pointed out plain lies just shrug and carry on? Is there a plan? Is there no plan and a bunch of monkeys with typewriters knocking out Shakespeare? And then you realise this is what abuse victims do. Try and plumb the possible reasons of their abusers trying to find some kind of sense or logic or predictibility to hang on to.

We're in a country where a senior judge released an absolute joke of a judgmet with what - ten serious errors so far? Again just plain factually incorrect and obviously wrong to any layman who spent a few minutes googling. And this seems to be.... mentioned in the press, raged about by laymen and then just left to sit and carry on.

Is there some asteroid on its way and they know at this point nothing matters?

HardyCrow · 19/12/2025 16:13

Stopbringingmicehome · 18/12/2025 20:56

Why , I just don't understand it

She’s Frit or stupid or both.

Floisme · 19/12/2025 16:20

I don't think she's stupid. But I do I wonder how it feels to be so ambitious you're prepared to argue that because mothers are protective of their small sons or pregnant women are sometimes caught short, then men must be allowed into women's toilets and changing rooms

EasternStandard · 19/12/2025 16:24

HardyCrow · 19/12/2025 16:13

She’s Frit or stupid or both.

Starmer will be backing this. Why to that too. After all those dud lies.

BoreOfWhabylon · 19/12/2025 16:35

Tom Swarbrick about to cover this on LBC any minute now

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