Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance

[lcakethereforeIam]

I'm not sure if there's anything new here though

Phillipson blocks trans guidance after landmark Supreme Court ruling https://share.google/P91PBE5Cy4ROwsdA1

It's a very stark article in the Telegraph.

A Government spokesman insisted Ms Phillipson was not blocking the guidance but simply wanted to make sure the “incredibly complicated” issues were legally watertight.

Let me help you out Bridget. Men are men, women are women and people can't change sex. If you think that's "incredibly complicated" you need to go back to school and leave government to the grown ups.

I suspect that there will be more independent Muslim MPs going forward and that this is one of the issues that will cause the split from Labour for them.

My guess would be they're making the same deliberate mistake that polling companies make ie asking ppl whether transgender issues should be a priority for the government or asking ppl whether they feel it's important that LGBTQ+ ppl are not discriminated against rather than asking ppl whether they think men should be allowed into women's spaces if they identify as female or whether women should have the right to privacy and dignity from men

it's the yes minister polling question

Labour is slipping into being a government led by multiple ideological edicts: 'Islamophobia' doctrines; 'violence against women and girls' tsars ( whilst simultaneously suppressing female boundaries and consent)....and so on. Highly authoritarian.

I saw this this morning and I am absolutely outraged at her betrayal of women and girls. How does her view square with Keir Starmer’s statement that they are going to crack down on misogyny by forcing schools to teach boys that their behaviour is unacceptable? The very fact that this tells men and boys that they’re rights Trump women and girls rights fairly and squirely is surely ridiculous. How can such a tiny, unpleasant group of men ride rough shot over the rights of 50% of the British population?
Surely there must be something that women can do to stop this madness? Can we set up one of the petitions which forces a debate in Parliament when the number of signatories gets to a certain amount? At least if we could do that it would demonstrate which politicians understand biological sex and which politicians are completely sucked into the trans ideology to the detriment of all women and girls.

I agree. There is nothing but downside to how Labour is handling this. They could easily have left Falkner in her roll and let the interim guidance lie in parliament, saying their hands were tied. It would be over and done now and wouldn't be tying up bandwidth that could focused on other important issues. Labour's behaving like a party who's political navigation instrumentation has short circuited and you could see the incremental malfunctioning this Fall in real time.

Might be a political mistake. Starmer's 'brand' was supposed to be that he was sensible and understood the law, unlike the feckless Johnson and Farage.

If he thinks it can be ignored according to personal whim, what is the point of him?

The problem is the lack of alternatives and what happens between now and the next election.

I’m puzzled by this too - sorry if it’s already been answered, but I’ve checked and can’t see it.

I’m pretty sure I read on this board (well before the general election) that BP had signed the Labour Women’s Declaration.
I’m also sure I saw Rosie Duffield tweet that BP was the only deputy leader contender who backed the Supreme Court judgement.

So I thought OK, even though I couldn’t recall BP ever speaking about it, and certainly never standing up for Rosie Duffield.
Now I’m wondering where that reputation even came from.

You can try, always good to do but really it’s votes politicians care about so vote accordingly.

Philipson is not a fuckwit, she’s a repulsive enabler of abusive men, fighting to the end to ensure we have no right to privacy or dignity, no right to say no to penis, whether in public toilets or hospital wards or prisons.

This is what rape culture looks like - women as nothing more than mute, powerless, unwilling accessories and participants in male sexual fantasies.

She’s fighting to preserve men’s right to abuse us.

I say this as someone who was recorded by a male claiming to be a woman in an open plan swimming pool changing room. The thing that never happens. The thing Phillipson wants to kept on happening, because the male erection is supreme in StarmerWorld.

Repulsive, shameful Labour enabling of abuse.

My apologies if I wasn’t clear. I meant that we create a petition and if we get to 100,000 votes for our topic then it has to be debated in Parliament. The wording would need to be very carefully crafted so that they were forced to declare their hands. Any politician who tried to worm their way out of declaring their hands could be assumed to be supporting the trans ideology and deliberately against the rights of women. Link here:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

I think this clearly shows the disconnect between what the government thinks voters care about and reality.

I don't think BP is going to have any political gains from this. The die hard TRA have long moved on to the Green and she's not going to gain anything with the mainstream electorate.

Jesus, when will this end? It feels like about 5 steps back and one step forward at the moment. BP and WS are opportunists first and foremost and like the rest of their party, idiotically unstrategic. The only thing they’re good at is helping Reform into power.

Well, I think there are a few other factors feeding into this.

1. Anecdotally, and this might be related to Lord Alli seconding one of his guys to "help" with candidate selection, a remarkable proportion of the 2024 intake of Labour MPs belong to the alphabet community - I've heard up to 25%. Obviously I don't have a problem with gay MPs, or even with gay MPs being somewhat overrepresented. But if they're massively overrepresented, and I doubt that many of them are coming from a sex realist viewpoint...

2. An awful lot of Labour MPs are subject to trans niece syndrome. I don't know how many cabinet ministers have trans-identified children, but depending on who you believe in Labour gossip circles, it could be anywhere between three and six. And they say it isn't a social contagion! This also reflects the narrow social strata that Labour MPs come from these days.

3. Captured unions who make up a big proportion of the selectorate for leader.

4. For a variety of reasons, Labour MPs are much more rattled by the prospect of losing seats to the Greens than losing many more seats to Reform, and may have drawn the conclusion that Zack Polanski's batshit stances are popular.

5. Most Labour MPs including the numbskulls on the Women & Equalities Committee have accepted the narrative sketched out by Michael Foran: they believed self-ID was the law of the land, and the SC has capriciously taken rights away from trans folx.

There are other factors I'm sure. My point is really, that for ambitious politicians like Bridget and Wes, incentives matter. And even if this stuff is very unpopular with the general public, most voters don't care much about it, and the voters they come into contact with who do care about it - the TRAs - have outsize influence in their world.

You'd think they would be reading opinion polls and thinking of the next general election, but most politicians don't have an attention span that long.

What cannot be overruled can always be undermined.

@LadyBlakeneysHanky

Brilliant post, totally nails it.

She should just admit it, women lie down naked and let any man have you, it's obviously what she thinks. She's absolutely reprehensible and repulsive.

I have never known a government (of any colour) to be so open in their hatred of the general public, nearly every decision they make is to hold the public in contempt.

A lot of this comes from most of them never having real jobs. Phillipson briefly worked for her mother's charity and otherwise worked within the Labour party machine. Pretty much been insulted from meeting the general public.

I agree with everyone. I’m also not sure why Starmer has folded so easily. This is on him overall. Maybe he thinks people won’t remember the pledges at age nor the statement after the ruling.

Maybe he’s clocked out already and can just see he has no way to continue.

But conversely, do any of them actually want to change the law?

It's notable that Phillipson didn't seem able to come up with a 'common sense' example that involved trans people.

Also, I might be able to have a common sense arrangement with my neighbour about trimming a hedge, but if we had a dispute we would rely on the law.

Great typo 😂

If I were Starmer, Bridget Phillipson would be being briskly carpeted this morning at No 10. Her choices are:

1. Announce today that she will lay the draft EHRC Code before Parliament on the first available day in the New Year
2. Offer her resignation today (It will be accepted)
3. Sacked from Cabinet tomorrow, if neither 1 or 2 happen today

She is a disgrace. She's openly contemptuous of the Rule of Law, and cannot remain in this government.

Labour knew they were going to win a decent majority, and knew that meant there would be a lot of bored backbenchers who could block any policy.

So why fill the backbencher up with people who they knew wouldn't accept policies? Either starmer supports them, or he never envisaged being unpopular.

Even if the leadership changes, nothing about policy will change under this government.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment that we must do something, I can't agree about a petition. Parliamentary petitions, even with a high number of signatures, are debated in Westminster Hall, not in the Commons. Those debates are usually sparsely attended and tend to be dominated by TRA MPs. They do not help to put MPs on the spot as they simply don't have to attend and there is no vote.

Hansard and Parliament TV have records of all such previous debates and they are easily searchable for examples. Nothing useful comes of them apart from a few comedy moments e.g. when an MP who has had children says she has no idea what her chromosomes are 🙄

I think at this point we only have two prongs of attack:

1. Lawfare
2. Vote the bastards out

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