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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Germaine Greer

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Ariana12 · 15/12/2025 07:30

An article from 1989. She always knew. And she was ostracised for it

Germaine Greer
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BeepBoopBop · 15/12/2025 07:42

I love that woman. Some bloody vivid descriptions there - “be-ringed paw” 😂

quantumbutterfly · 15/12/2025 07:46

She's always been brilliant (and spiky 🙂). There's a poster here with a posting style that reminds me of her.👀😁

ErrolTheDragon · 15/12/2025 07:52

Thanks.
And even then, recognising she herself had been too kind and polite about it!

Seethlaw · 15/12/2025 08:00

"The argument, my argument anyway, is that the genuine difference [between the sexes] has been obscured by a series of phoney differences. Femaleness has been distorted into femininity; womanhood has become permanent girlishness."

Ouch! So precise and exact, it hurts.

FlatErica · 15/12/2025 08:15

She’s bloody awesome.

KnottyAuty · 15/12/2025 08:25

Thanks for posting. It’s too blurry on my phone (or maybe it’s my eyes 🤣). Where could I find a clearer version please?

Seethlaw · 15/12/2025 08:29

KnottyAuty · 15/12/2025 08:25

Thanks for posting. It’s too blurry on my phone (or maybe it’s my eyes 🤣). Where could I find a clearer version please?

I had the same problem. I found it here: https://x.com/terfcitations/status/1550465693073567744?s=20

Gender-Critical Citations (@terfcitations) on X

Germaine Greer, 1989. On Why Sex-Change Is a Lie. The Independent Magazine, 22 July 1989.

https://x.com/terfcitations/status/1550465693073567744?s=20

KnottyAuty · 15/12/2025 08:30

Seethlaw · 15/12/2025 08:29

I had the same problem. I found it here: https://x.com/terfcitations/status/1550465693073567744?s=20

Thanks! I was just searching and you were lightning quick xx

KnottyAuty · 15/12/2025 08:31

Here is a copy of that version in case it helps anyone else

Germaine Greer
Helleofabore · 15/12/2025 08:31

I read this last night and what struck me was that

a) she recognised that they were strategising to make this acceptable.

b) she identified the strategies they were using.

c) she pointed out how it was it only ever emotional manipulation.

d) and she pointed out just how society would react- how some would allow themselves to be manipulated and become enforcers.

Germaine was spot on.

I had read half of that account before. I had known about the machinations of the man, the stalking and fhe manuscript. I have even posted it previously as a point of how long ago Germaine was discussing it and it was part of defending her because some poster, some will know who, declared that Germaine had advanced dementia.

That her recent interviews should be considered thus and she had changed her attitude on this topic. (Note to reader, I have not seen signs of that at all, and the poster couldn’t evidence it either. Contrary to that she has been rather active recently and still direct, coherent and relevant.)

This article was a reminder to me of how long this strategy has been in planning. Over 36 years. It was very much a long game.

And sadly, very successful.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 15/12/2025 08:37

She's wonderful

JellySaurus · 15/12/2025 08:49

BeepBoopBop · 15/12/2025 07:42

I love that woman. Some bloody vivid descriptions there - “be-ringed paw” 😂

Yes, and the “rapist’s grip” that immediately triggered her flop/freeze response, preventing her from saying what she knew and wanted to say: “You’re a man. Piss off.”

deadpan · 15/12/2025 08:49

She has some very questionable views on rape and sexual assault but is bang on with this. I couldn't read it all because of the blur, but the assertion that femaleness has been turned into femininity is spot on! That explains the theory of long hair, dolls, pink and skirts meaning you must be female.

Helleofabore · 15/12/2025 08:50

Helleofabore · 15/12/2025 08:31

I read this last night and what struck me was that

a) she recognised that they were strategising to make this acceptable.

b) she identified the strategies they were using.

c) she pointed out how it was it only ever emotional manipulation.

d) and she pointed out just how society would react- how some would allow themselves to be manipulated and become enforcers.

Germaine was spot on.

I had read half of that account before. I had known about the machinations of the man, the stalking and fhe manuscript. I have even posted it previously as a point of how long ago Germaine was discussing it and it was part of defending her because some poster, some will know who, declared that Germaine had advanced dementia.

That her recent interviews should be considered thus and she had changed her attitude on this topic. (Note to reader, I have not seen signs of that at all, and the poster couldn’t evidence it either. Contrary to that she has been rather active recently and still direct, coherent and relevant.)

This article was a reminder to me of how long this strategy has been in planning. Over 36 years. It was very much a long game.

And sadly, very successful.

Sorry, I didn’t finish one of my sentences.

I had read the first half of the article. It had been reproduced somewhere before. But never the rest of the article.

The entire article is very powerful.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/12/2025 09:19

The article is from 1989 but the incident it references was 1971!

Helleofabore · 15/12/2025 09:21

ErrolTheDragon · 15/12/2025 09:19

The article is from 1989 but the incident it references was 1971!

I imagine she had a lot of discussions and processed a lot of how she felt about it in that time and how it started to piece together, to have written that article.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/12/2025 09:25

Helleofabore · 15/12/2025 09:21

I imagine she had a lot of discussions and processed a lot of how she felt about it in that time and how it started to piece together, to have written that article.

Yes - but I think she started doing it sooner than most. Perhaps because (apart from her clarity of thought) she was more directly exposed to this sort of man than most other women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/12/2025 09:31

Oh wow. Brilliant writing and yes, she was right on the money.

Supporterofwomensrights · 15/12/2025 09:42

Amazingly prescient. If only people had listened to her.

I was surprised that she says that men could get their passports changed; I didn't think that was possible until the GRA (I was a kid at the time).

Edit: typo

puffyisgood · 15/12/2025 09:57

I personally think a lot of the stuff GG comes out with is a load of old rubbish, but with this one she was hugely ahead of her time, almost staggeringly so. 36+ years and counting.

SidewaysOtter · 15/12/2025 09:59

Bloody love Germaine Greer. I remember when she got cancelled from a speaking event for saying men couldn't be women and no-one changes sex and thinking "Well, we all know that Germaine, but couldn't you just be kind to these people? Was it really necessary to say that?"

I realised very quickly that I was completely and utterly wrong on that viewpoint and Greer had been the canary in the coalmine for a long time.

I also love the interview she gave where the Kirsty Wark asked her about (IIRC) her views upsetting people. Her answer was "I don't give a fuck". Be more Greer, I say Grin

FlirtsWithRhinos · 15/12/2025 10:23

Following a comment made by one of the regular derailers I am fermenting a post on transage vs transgender - not in the "I'm a little girl" paraphiliac men (bleugh) sense but the everyday social norm of trying to look younger up to and including surgery and the very common experience of not "feeling ones age" - and why the former is not treated something real that should be reflected in updated documentation while the latter is. Really interesting to see GG picked up on this exactly back then.

GallantKumquat · 15/12/2025 10:27

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GallantKumquat · 15/12/2025 10:28

Germaine Greer - On Why Sex-Change Is a Lie

<Edited to remove the naught N- word>

On the day that The Female Eunuch was issued in America, a person in flapping draperies rushed up to me and grabbed my hand. “Thank you,” it breathed hoarsely, “Thank you so much for all you have done for us girls!” I smirked and nodded and stepped backward, trying to extricate my hand from the enormous, knuckly, hairy, be-ringed paw that clutched it. The face staring into mine was thickly coated with pancake make-up through which the stubble was already burgeoning, in futile competition with a Dynel wig of immense luxuriance and two pairs of false eyelashes. Against the bony ribs that could be counted through its flimsy scarf dress swung a polished steel women’s liberation emblem.

I should have said, “You're a man. The Female Eunuch has done less than nothing for you. Piss off.” The transvestite held me in a rapist’s grip while he deftly positioned himself next to me, so that he could flash an open-mouthed pin-up smile to the photographers who for reasons connected with Life magazine and ITV happened to be dogging my footsteps. He tried to get into the limousine, but somebody got rid of him, probably by slamming the door on his fingers. When the car moved off I found in my lap the fat packet of photocopied writings that such predators invariably have about them.

From then on, every time I put my nose outside the Chelsea Hotel he would appear as if from nowhere. Though he certainly considered that he was psychologically a female, for I had a few hundred pages of ecstatic scribblings to prove it, he behaved exactly like a predatory man. He was blind and deaf to all evidence of dislike, quite unaware of the existence of a separate personality with its own preoccupations. He even masked his thoroughly invasive and exploitative intent by the commonplace ruse of giving expensive, unwanted and unwelcome presents.

Knee-jerk etiquette demanded that I humour this gross parody of my sex by accepting him as female, even to the point of allowing him to come to the lavatory with me. Bureaucratic moves were afoot to give him and his kind the right to female identity, a female passport even. We might not be surprised to find bureaucrats accepting the idea that the female is no more than a castrated male, in flat contradiction of the biology that tells us that maleness is no more than damage to one chromosome of the female set. It is strange though that a vocal and combative body of feminists did not throw the whole idea out on its ear before it was quietly and sneakily implemented. If you want to be female so badly that you are prepared to mutilate yourself, and if the doctor who mutilated you will write you a letter saying that the change is permanent, then the beneficent state will declare that you are what you are not, a woman. The general populace, despite the evidence of their eyes and ears, will go along with the bluff. They might with as much justification change the birth dates in the passports of women who are on oestrogen replacement or have had facelifts, but this is unlikely to happen. Age is considered real, femaleness not.

People who believe that feminists burn bras also believe that someone, usually me, has argued that there is no difference between the sexes. The argument, my argument anyway, is that the genuine difference has been obscured by a series of phoney differences. Femaleness has been distorted into femininity; womanhood has become permanent girlishness. One of the principal mechanisms by which this is done is the suppression of female sexuality, and its substitution with a notion of female libido as a mirror image of male desire, as mere receptivity. Women’s other erotic relationships, with their babies in particular, are denied, or presumed to imitate the male paradigm, and therefore to be invasive and genitally fixated.

Certainly there are men about who seriously, passionately and consistently want to be what they think of as women, and they may as well be it. Most of them envy women's right to sexual exhibitionism; most of them have an even more stereotyped view of femininity than is commonly accepted, and hark back to the Fifties when breasts stuck out like gun-barrels, waists were cinched to nothing, petticoats frothed invitingly, and make-up dripped. Such men may call themselves girls, but it is quite a different matter when women themselves are forced by custom to go along, as 1 consented 20 years ago in New York to call my persecutor “sister”.

In enduring the attentions of that caricature of myself, I displayed the same foolish good nature that allows mothers-in-law to continue to be the staple of English humour, that gives Benny Hill his ratings, that fills the working-men's clubs when there’s a female impersonator on. You won't see N- <edited> Minstrels any more and you certainly won't see real black men watching them, but you will see women laughing obligingly at the sight of half-naked men with tennis-ball tits tied on their chests, switching their bums in imitation of women’s (imaginary) endless come-on. There is more than one kind of rape, more than one kind of murderous attack on women's self-esteem. Male transvestism is in no way evidence of a female psyche, but rather the last attack on female otherness, by way of reducing it to no more than a rag, a bone and a hank of hair,

I have on my desk three letters from a “gender transient”, who believes that he can pop in and out of either sex at will, and supplies the usual slew of tarty pictures of himself as a female to prove it. His letters set out in detail what he wants me to do, namely to accept his view of the universe, to admit him to instant intimacy and to allow him to describe my feelings. I brought the second and third letters on myself by acknowledging the first and telling him I was not interested. I should have said, “Gender transience is a lie. You are a man. Piss off.” Because I didn't I have exposed myself again to the same old aggressive, insensitive, arrogant, thoroughly masculine hoo-ha.e

Imbrocator · 15/12/2025 10:35

Fantastic. She can really bloody write.

This sentence I found quite jarring though: “Women’s other erotic relationships, with their babies in particular, are denied”.

Anyone have any insight on Greer’s position here?