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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC biological male: the gaslighting ends

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WarriorN · 29/11/2025 06:07

Couldn’t be clearer or more important for this case, given how much this man destroyed this young woman’s life.

first paragraph

Newcastle Crown Court heard the woman was 13 when she was groped and feared she was going to be raped by Ryan Haley, a biological male who now identifies as a woman called Natalie Wolf, in the Washington area.

Also though. The photo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo

Mugshot of Natalie Wolf, formerly known as Ryan Haley, who has thick long brown hair with a pink hairband in, with slight make up and pink lipstick and black-framed glasses over a pair of cross-eyed eyes.

Woman's life 'destroyed' by Newcastle childhood molester

Natalie Wolf, who was then called Ryan Haley, is jailed for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8dky7qv8qo

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WarriorN · 29/11/2025 08:55

MyThreeWords · 29/11/2025 08:45

EDIT: I'm withdrawing this post as I may have made an error

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Re your Original post, who the fuck knows.

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Dullday · 29/11/2025 08:55

Good to hear he judges summing up of Ryan - “You are not the victim here".

WarriorN · 29/11/2025 08:55

Pleasealexa · 29/11/2025 08:54

Could the BBC have removed the TRA desk, with DG departure, so now journalists are free to write the truth? I'm sure there must have sex realistics at the BBC who were being overruled..such as Maxine Croxall.

in wonder if those who CBA to support the bs anymore are just going for it, safe in the knowledge they won’t be stopped.

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borntobequiet · 29/11/2025 08:57

Pleasealexa · 29/11/2025 08:54

Could the BBC have removed the TRA desk, with DG departure, so now journalists are free to write the truth? I'm sure there must have sex realistics at the BBC who were being overruled..such as Maxine Croxall.

SEEN in Journalism interviewed Dennis Kavanagh, who referred to that desk as the LGBTLOL or LGBTWTF desk, which I thought very funny.

Helleofabore · 29/11/2025 08:58

Here is one of those transgender activists that uses pics of JKR when making dishonest statements about his own ‘passing’ ability giving his opinion about the use of biological male by the BBC. The tweet from Theresa Verity is embedded in Gary’s tweet.

https://x.com/garylfrancione/status/1994485897291510025?s=46

This man in the meantime uses a female person’s images as some misogynist sick gotcha about how some men ‘pass’ successfully as women. Of course, inviting people to declare that JK Rowling doesn’t ‘pass’ and drawing mockery to JK Rowling’s appearance. But apparently, he righteous in his fight.

His tweet in the image embedded in Gary’s tweet says :

“So the Bigoted Broadcasting Corporation has decided that the way to stave off the executioner's axe is to refer to every trans woman as 'a biological male who identifies as a woman'.

There will come a time when this reactionary hatefest finally ends. It cannot come soon enough.”

Considering how many of these men declare they were female but in the wrong body now, one has to wonder what the problem is? Or is it that some of them understand that their attempts to wedge themselves into the word ‘female’ as they have been trying to do, just isn’t working.

It does seem to that there is a fracturing into two groups: those who know the movement looks ridiculous claiming that male people are really female people, and those who don’t. But very few of them will how the other group accountable because I reckon they understand that showing the division will simply destroy more of the movements overall credibility.

Prof. Gary Francione (@garylfrancione) on X

Why is it a "hatefest" to "refer to every trans woman as a biological male who identifies as a woman"? In a liberal pluralistic society, we can disagree about whether "identifies" has ontological significance but the description is factually accurate,...

https://x.com/garylfrancione/status/1994485897291510025?s=46

Dullday · 29/11/2025 09:54

The Independant being quite clear today too.

BBC biological male: the gaslighting ends
CatMarble · 29/11/2025 19:57

It makes me think how many journalists were self-censoring!

DamnTheCheesemongers · 29/11/2025 20:44

DC has informed me that apparently this person has been discussed all over TikTok. The narrative is that this awful child abuser is fraudulently identifying as trans in order to make the trans community look bad.

I did laugh.

Olderbadger1 · 29/11/2025 20:45

MyThreeWords · 29/11/2025 07:29

Also, I hope the weaselly "biological" appended to "male" is a short-lived fudge. What other kind of male is there?

(I know I have accidentally conjured the idea of a fudge weasel. I am too angry to keep a rein on my metaphors.)

The notion of a fudge weasel has made me very happy. 😊

plantcomplex · 29/11/2025 20:50

It's not this one court that used his prescribed pronouns. They're all doing it.

When that comes to a stop we will know the tide is turning.

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:02

MyThreeWords · 29/11/2025 07:29

Also, I hope the weaselly "biological" appended to "male" is a short-lived fudge. What other kind of male is there?

(I know I have accidentally conjured the idea of a fudge weasel. I am too angry to keep a rein on my metaphors.)

Thank you for inventing a super username, MyThree. As the new weazle in the house I agree that using the word "biological" to qualify the word "male" is extremely weaselly; just as using the loathsome term "cis" to qualify the word "woman" is, too. Weaselly fudges through and through!

However the kind of fudge weasel that I am is very nice one. I may be a pedant, but I am mostly adorable and not at all loathsome.

BBC biological male: the gaslighting ends
Boiledbeetle · 29/11/2025 21:07

raped by Ryan Haley, a biological male who now identifies as a woman called Natalie Wolf

By jove I think they've got it!

Boiledbeetle · 29/11/2025 21:10

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:02

Thank you for inventing a super username, MyThree. As the new weazle in the house I agree that using the word "biological" to qualify the word "male" is extremely weaselly; just as using the loathsome term "cis" to qualify the word "woman" is, too. Weaselly fudges through and through!

However the kind of fudge weasel that I am is very nice one. I may be a pedant, but I am mostly adorable and not at all loathsome.

You realise I'm creeping up to you in that image in order to lick you to see if you actually taste of fudge don't you?

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:11

Olderbadger1 · 29/11/2025 20:45

The notion of a fudge weasel has made me very happy. 😊

Thank you! Would you like some of this interesting nut comestible? Grin

BBC biological male: the gaslighting ends
Boiledbeetle · 29/11/2025 21:12

WarriorN · 29/11/2025 07:47

I mean, wouldn’t look out of place in Royston Vasey ….

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True

socialdilemmawhattodo · 29/11/2025 21:19

MyThreeWords · 29/11/2025 07:29

Also, I hope the weaselly "biological" appended to "male" is a short-lived fudge. What other kind of male is there?

(I know I have accidentally conjured the idea of a fudge weasel. I am too angry to keep a rein on my metaphors.)

It's possibly helpful to reinforce that so members of society who struggle with sex reality are reminded each and every time that we can all tell the difference, no-one really passes and yes sex matters.

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:24

Boiledbeetle · 29/11/2025 21:10

You realise I'm creeping up to you in that image in order to lick you to see if you actually taste of fudge don't you?

Yes! So here's something I brought with me. You can eat as many of these delicious tunnock's treats as you like, but there's to be no licking of fudgeweazle.

Thanks in advance, etc.

BBC biological male: the gaslighting ends
fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:50

Boiledbeetle · 29/11/2025 21:12

True

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fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 22:20

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:50

Confused

I was trying to say something about the weird eyes, the eyes the eyes the eyes! Oh, the eyes ...

SidewaysOtter · 29/11/2025 22:48

fudgeweazle · 29/11/2025 21:50

Confused
i made GIF

That reminds me of the baddie from Who Framed Roger Rabbit...

WarriorN · 30/11/2025 07:40

DamnTheCheesemongers · 29/11/2025 20:44

DC has informed me that apparently this person has been discussed all over TikTok. The narrative is that this awful child abuser is fraudulently identifying as trans in order to make the trans community look bad.

I did laugh.

I’ve seen TRAs on Twitter referring to him as she

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ArabellaSaurus · 30/11/2025 13:33

Dullday · 29/11/2025 09:54

The Independant being quite clear today too.

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Unfortunately, not really. We know that around a third of people who read 'trans woman' think that that means a born woman.

The media needs to be clearer. He is a man. He is male.

There are many ways to say this that would clarify for the audience.

'Born male' or 'male who identifies as a woman' or 'male who calls himself a woman' or 'man who says he is a woman' all are accurate.

ArabellaSaurus · 30/11/2025 13:41

DamnTheCheesemongers · 29/11/2025 20:44

DC has informed me that apparently this person has been discussed all over TikTok. The narrative is that this awful child abuser is fraudulently identifying as trans in order to make the trans community look bad.

I did laugh.

'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

This is the tack that Nicola Sturgeon took wtih Isla Bryson, and other politicians have repeated, notably Humza Yousaf. 'rapist gender'. 'That individual is a rapist'.

The implication is that a man cannot be both 'trans' and a criminal.

Unfortunately, there's a whole wing of Edinburgh prison that reveals that assertion is incorrect. As well as the well known study into offending rates post 'transition'.

This narrative posits that all men who declare themselves women are 'trans' and therefore 'vulnerable' and 'marginalised' and 'harmless', with the implication that they are incapable of ever doing anything wrong, even going so far as to say that 'There is no evidence that predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out predatory and abusive behaviour'.

This created a handy loophole of a sacred caste that could not be questioned or suspected. This assertion in itself has probably caused harm, as predators throughout the world noted the opportunity.

The substantial evidence that reveals Shona Robison's stupidity has now meant gender supporters have pivoted to suggesting that any man who is predatory and abusive can therefore not be 'truly trans'.

Women are still not allowed to consider that any man calling himself a woman could be a predator, though. Or note that it's possible to be both vulnerable and a risk/predator.

gogomomo2 · 30/11/2025 13:46

the biological male but identifies as a female is accurate reporting and demonstrates the full picture. Nothing wrong with that. I believe that those who are in the prison system for such crimes cannot apply to go to a women’s prison anymore, (there are trans prisoners but they will be for non violent crimes)

ArabellaSaurus · 30/11/2025 13:53

gogomomo2 · 30/11/2025 13:46

the biological male but identifies as a female is accurate reporting and demonstrates the full picture. Nothing wrong with that. I believe that those who are in the prison system for such crimes cannot apply to go to a women’s prison anymore, (there are trans prisoners but they will be for non violent crimes)

This was supposedly the case in England.

There is still at least one murderer (male) in women's prison in Scotland.

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