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Sara Morrison v BFF thread 4

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MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 14:41

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Easytoconfuse · 18/11/2025 12:16

ProfLargofesse · 18/11/2025 09:16

I've been developing a deeper understanding of GenAI over the last year or so and it is clear that it is so woven into the lives of the younger generation that they are being significantly de-skilled on lots of levels and don't fully appreciate that text based AI is a language learning model that seeks patterns, and in that process will seek to fill in gaps by using those patterns rather than actual information.

I find it more useful to think of it in those terms rather than the more common idea of it hallucinating because it is important to see it as a pattern-seeking machine looking for statistical probabilities rather than having any actual intelligence. Hallucinating tends to suggest it's just a blip which is unexplainable rather than it being very explainable.

It is a very useful tool when you understand that. As a search engine it can gather information and sources in a useful way and much more quickly than google which favours advertising payments in how it presents the results of your searchers but AI also learns from your use what you are seeking and will find a pattern in that behaviour too which it will then apply to any searching.

And so you always need to ask it to provide links to sources and go to those sources yourself. If the summary stands up in the face of that then it might be useful. As with the law itself and evidenced in these threads everything is open to interpretation, even most facts, so applying your own intelligence to any information gathering is always crucial.

I'm always against blanket rejection of any tool rather than the application of critical thinking to how it is being used. Adding a working understanding of the tool you are using to further develop research skills rather than de-skill is much more productive. Know the tool you are using and setting out how you are using it, and how you have applied your own critical assessment to the offering rather than do knee-jerk rejection is more useful. It is here to stay and the better we understand its benefits and failings and apply our brains to how we use it the better we will be at using it.

Thanks. Duly shared with student daughter! I've always done the three sources rule but the learning part is scary because its telling you what it thinks you want to hear, not what you need to know

weegielass · 18/11/2025 12:17

mumsnet bloody froze on me and that's me just in. hello ladies. MD is a right unlikeable woman isn't she?

In other news I have an interview with a well known woman's rights org later (that I obviously will not name so as not to out me) so wish me luck

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 18/11/2025 12:17

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 18/11/2025 11:48

Apols for silly post above that was supposed to be a reply last night when more appropriate!

I quite like that NW hadn't heard of Gaslight! And admitted it. 😂

Or perhaps NW was trying to gaslight NC?

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:21

Easytoconfuse · 18/11/2025 12:16

Thanks. Duly shared with student daughter! I've always done the three sources rule but the learning part is scary because its telling you what it thinks you want to hear, not what you need to know

Trained by men who like being told they're right and amazing.

Mistrusted by women who see through all that bullshit.

WomanInnaWoods · 18/11/2025 12:21

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:14

Women.

You Got It Yes GIF by CBC

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ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:24

Reply to NW

@kebabwhisperer

I bet Michelle is praying for a bout of rapid onset Fibromyalgia at this point.

🤧

nauticant · 18/11/2025 12:26

Namechanged999999 · 18/11/2025 12:16

I think it was a play written in the 1930s about a toxic marriage where the husband tries to make the wife seem mad by sneaking about turning the gas lights up and down. I saw it once a long time ago.

By Patrick Hamilton. You'll struggle to find many authors having a more bleak view of human existence.

LondonProfessor66 · 18/11/2025 12:29

ProfessorIDareSay · 18/11/2025 11:38

I once booked a holiday advertised on Teletext. Think that qualifies me to be Foreign Secretary 😁✈

Definitely - after all they gave the job to Boris at one point.

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:29

From NW

MD no this info came from my marketing manager and she gave me incorrect info re 17 Sep
NC so SM had no work email access from July to 26 November
MD she got it in October
NC well you tucked the password into some paperwork. but she still didn’t get access

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:30

From NW

SD the C has not complained about her lack of email
NC so she wasn’t seeing hostile or supportive emails
MD I did it to protect my staff
NC not SM
[MD thinks she asking about the staff webpage]

ProfDrILikeDungs · 18/11/2025 12:30

LondonProfessor66 · 18/11/2025 12:29

Definitely - after all they gave the job to Boris at one point.

Also David Lammy, nuff said

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:30

From NW J pls answer the qu’s you are being asked
NC she was not seeing the emails that was being sent to her
MD I don’t know
NC It’s possible there was a flood of emails directly to SM

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/11/2025 12:31

Just broken for lunch. There's been an Internet problem affecting Nick's tweeting.

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:33

nauticant · 18/11/2025 12:26

By Patrick Hamilton. You'll struggle to find many authors having a more bleak view of human existence.

And yet it is the lived reality for many women.

And some men automatically suggest a woman is wrong whenever she speaks, even if they're not abusing her.

ProfessorBettyBooper · 18/11/2025 12:34

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/11/2025 12:31

Just broken for lunch. There's been an Internet problem affecting Nick's tweeting.

hi @NoBinturongsHereMate

What was your impression from this exchange?:

MD there were hundreds of docs in the SAR". A fair part of my working life for some time was taken up doing this.
... and the resources and time of our org. "Our work suffered greatly. Our organisation suffered greatly."
J I think a lot of orgs would say the same. Not just yours

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 12:34

NoBinturongsHereMate · 18/11/2025 12:31

Just broken for lunch. There's been an Internet problem affecting Nick's tweeting.

Yes, Cloudflare has intermittent issues that are affecting MN and Twitter.

Easytoconfuse · 18/11/2025 12:38

ProfessorMyrtleLion · 18/11/2025 11:39

I am having significant issues getting MN to load on my ipad.

I've switched to my phone but it will be slower.

Apologies.

It's going up and down for me. Cloudways have issues, so DH has enjoyed seeing a site that protects websites and Down Detector going down. He's IT. Need I say more?

maltravers · 18/11/2025 12:39

The periods of cross examination seem very short. They start late, they break, they finish early for lunch and lots of time spent arguing about amending the pleadings.

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 18/11/2025 12:40

Cailleach1 · 18/11/2025 11:21

‘J: I think a lot of orgs would say the same. Not just yours’

What does Judge mean by that, I wonder? All orgs which end up in an ET ‘cos they are now having to defend their actions against an employee?

I think she is commenting on servicing a SAR being a burden. It’s true, they can be. I took it as she was saying “everyone has to do them, you’re not special” but perhaps I’m being generous

Domesticatednottamed · 18/11/2025 12:41

I keep wondering how the barristers work out the timing, and if NC notes things like "recalcitrant witness, add extra 20 mins for stropping about".

Madcats · 18/11/2025 12:41

It would be interesting to hear whether the observers thought that the Judge was losing patience with the MD.

Or maybe it is the way that Nick W is summarising things.

ProfessorFanOfBen · 18/11/2025 12:42

Domesticatednottamed · 18/11/2025 12:41

I keep wondering how the barristers work out the timing, and if NC notes things like "recalcitrant witness, add extra 20 mins for stropping about".

Whatever Naomi adds in such circumstances, it's usually not enough... Did she, in fact, finish with MD before they broke for lunch, does anyone know?

AnnaMagnani · 18/11/2025 12:42

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 18/11/2025 12:40

I think she is commenting on servicing a SAR being a burden. It’s true, they can be. I took it as she was saying “everyone has to do them, you’re not special” but perhaps I’m being generous

This was the way I took it. Every company that has ever had to handle a tribunal has had to do SARs, disclosure etc. Judge isn't impressed that BFF is a special case we should feel sorry for.

Namechanged999999 · 18/11/2025 12:43

for many reasons it really spoke to me :-)

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 18/11/2025 12:55

Well, if nothing else I've tidied away a pile of crap, put the shopping away and washed the dishes whilst the internet has been on off on off on off.

I'm wondering what MD, aside from all this crap, is like as a boss. If she's like she's been giving evidence I wouldn't want to work under her.

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