Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling

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Stella O’Malley from Genspect telling it like it is - that a state endorsed trial of puberty blockers for gender dysphoric children should NOT go ahead.
the NHS are not walking into this nightmare blindly - there are enough experts out there telling them what will happen happen to these children if they’re given these life changing drugs.
https://x.com/genspect/status/1989896741358113127?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

The parents will consent.

Which makes it worse.

We have people on here who've spoken of awful childhoods with awful parents.
Imagine having a parent prepared to sacrifice your entire adult physical and mental health because they are going along with nonsense from you the child.

Can someone help me out here, please?

Did Hillary Cass actually genuinely suggest this or is that just how the press is reporting it?

I really hope she didn't make some throw throw away remark that would be seized on by people as a necessity for a trial. I can totally see that happening.

But then again, surely everyone involved in the report would have realised the importance of language?

Now these so-called doctors will be able to say they are acting on recommendations of the report.

And if this is a loophole or whatever, then it is a massive massive error that should never have been missed.

thanks to anyone who can answer my question. Sorry, I am absolutely furious this morning. I don't even have children. I never thought I would find myself in a position where I would feel obliged to defend children from the medical profession and their parents. (well, maybe after 2020 I realised but you take my point).

I have no words for the kind of parents who would enrol their child in this study.

I just hope they have proper legal advice at the consent stage to prevent the future taxpayers from being financially responsible for this nonsense.

Or for other reasons. Bearing in mind some of the stats from.Hannah Barnes' book.

... and children with autism😔

Cass' report stated that in order to be able to properly prescribe puberty blockers there would need to be a trial. I assume in good faith that she never thought it would be able to get through an ethics panel. But of course when the NHS and the University given the funding is stacked with activists, that's exactly what was going to happen.

And a higher risk of having a registered sex offender as a parent. Like ten times higher.

Not sure if anyone in the thread has linked it yet but here's the trial protocol:

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/assets/pathways/trial/pathways-trial-protocol.pdf

(from browsing https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/pathways)

@Shedmistress thank you

In that case, that is a huge error

I stopped engaging in this stuff a few years ago because it was just too stressful. Kind of started again but didn't actually read the report

Anyway, it seems extremely obvious to me that that was a foolish thing to say - and was always going to lead here. I do vaguely recall some posters here saying the report wasn't as good news as it seemed like from just the major banner stuff.

editing to add - I really take my hat off to people who are still fighting in this arena, I really really respect that.

Is there anything that can be done to reverse this horror at this stage? Where is Wes Streeting on it?

From @Signalbox above:

Keira Bell and James Esses have sent a pre action letter force greater transparency of the process.

https://x.com/KBtheYoungOG/status/1989392024215212057

Cass totally underestimated the devious and manipulative lengths the TRA side would go to get their way. She may not say the same thing now.

How did it get through the ethics committee? Is that assessment available to read?

Same. Or the adults running this or pushing for it.

They can in some situations. But it will depend on the circumstances of each case and its hard to fathom how anyone thinks they can gain informed consent from an eleven year old child in relation to a medication that will lead to their sterilisation and permanent suppression of adult sexual function.

Perhaps the study will rely on parental consent. But this is no better. No parent should be able to consent to the sterilisation of their child.

You can't help but think that the suggestion of a trial was a cop out from Dr Cass, due to a fear and reluctance to confront the trans lobby and something of a sop for activists. It serves only to delay the inevitable, and keeps alive the concept of the 'trans child'.

You could measure bone density and fertility in the young adults and adolescents who have already gone through childhood puberty blocker treatment and compare them with their peers to get a feel for the scale of the problem without subjecting any new children to harm. OK, you don’t have an individual measure of detriment or cognitive harm but surely that would be the kinder way to get to an answer? Certainly more ethical.

The problem is that SKS will be 💯 for it. For sure. He is invested.

I've only skimmed the protocol summary but there are no measures of fertility included - the only physical data collected is height, weight, DEXA bone scans and 'safety bloods'. It's also described as assessing short to medium term outcomes only.
The study team claiming they are assessing the impact on fertility is a lie.

This is a subject I’ve posted about a few times over the years. I have clinical experience of adult males, who had undergone reassignment surgery and were not happy - cosmetically - with the results so wanted further NHS funded procedures to help them reach their ideal. It was like Columbo: just one more thing and I’ll be happy.

Except of course that one more surgical procedure was never going to solve their underlying issues or turn them into what they thought they wanted to be. The issues were psychological and often trauma related.

I should add that this was about 15 years ago, so before the rise of the trans movement whose lies have encouraged vulnerable people to think they can become something else, but healthcare should have always steered them towards psychological support, not irreversible intervention.

This. It’s criminal

It’s a bit like that nonsensical Jane Russell (I think) claiming Maya is not expert in the field and mocking her for “only having a degree in agriculture” or words to that effect.

I totally get her position.

If the argument is that these treatments have not been trialled, then it's hard to avoid recommending a trial. And that is a valid recommendation in a world where you can trust the ethics committees will do their job.

The problem is that this area of 'medicine' has become completely corrupt, with practitioners interested in nothing more than continuing their grift, who will stoop to any kind of devious practices to get their way. They cannot be trusted to abide by the protocols.

That's a problem that goes far, far beyond what Cass was asked to investigate. She hints at it in the report, but she clearly can't raise the roof on it.

If no one is prepared to admit and tackle that, then we will never be able to shut this down.

Another thing: I am sure the Swedish patients featured in the Trans Train documentaries were regularly DEXA scanned as part of their national treatment protocol. There was a 15 year old whose spinal vertebrae were fracturing and collapsing featured in the doc. 😢 Sweden has ended PB treatment. Do we really need our own trial to answer the question about harm?

You're not likely to find many people here who even accept the concept of 'the trans child' - because it is a nonsense.Years ago some parents were keen to promote their children as being 'Indigo children' - before the 'trans child' came along this was the fad that was then circulating and promoted by parents wanting to feel like they and their offspring were special.