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Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling

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Soontobe60 · 16/11/2025 14:43

Stella O’Malley from Genspect telling it like it is - that a state endorsed trial of puberty blockers for gender dysphoric children should NOT go ahead.
the NHS are not walking into this nightmare blindly - there are enough experts out there telling them what will happen happen to these children if they’re given these life changing drugs.
https://x.com/genspect/status/1989896741358113127?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

Genspect (@genspect) on X

In a conversation about the Next Generation, podcast host Elliot Bewick @elliotbewick talks with @stellaomalley3 : “This won't be puberty because their reproductive system won't be awakened, it will be a chemical insurgents into their body…and so they...

https://x.com/genspect/status/1989896741358113127?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

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RedToothBrush · 17/12/2025 12:10

Let's sum up where this trial is politically.

Very much opposed by the public on every level.
Badly premise with measures that are biased from the outside.
A previous scandal that has never been resolved and no lessons learnt and this trial will replicate many of them.
A court case to block it already in the offing from James Esses and the detransitioner whose name I forget.
The Gay Mens Network highly liable to also stick their oar in legally.
Sex Matters and other organisations also on the case.
It now being labelled as The Streeting Trial precisely to pin this on him when the shitstorm hits.
Numerous other countries now coming up with research saying "this is bad".
The original Dutch Protocol completely discredited.
You have Farage now sniffing around the subject understanding it is a lever to fuck the government with.

The only people who really think this trial is a good idea is some middle aged male transitioners who are supportive of criminal behaviour labelled as 'protests' and getting kids to camp outside or harass government departments. With Streeting being singled out for this too.

You could not have something that is more of a political disaster zone if it had a sticker saying 'political disaster zone' stuck on it.

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 12:16

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Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling
TheKeatingFive · 17/12/2025 12:18

It now being labelled as The Streeting Trial precisely to pin this on him when the shitstorm hits.

This is a clever tactic. Fair play to those pursing it (Claire Coutinho seems all over it, not sure if there are others).

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 12:19

Rosie's full post

Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling
TheKeatingFive · 17/12/2025 12:19

What's the implication of that?

Datun · 17/12/2025 12:20

The only people who really think this trial is a good idea is some middle aged male transitioners who are supportive of criminal behaviour labelled as 'protests' and getting kids to camp outside or harass government departments.

Precisely. And hopefully this is just really dawning on Streeting. And egged on by the targeting of his office.

it's now truly time to just say no. Just fuck off. These men have no real power, they are just criminals. So if they kickoff, arrest them.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2025 12:40

TheKeatingFive · 17/12/2025 12:19

What's the implication of that?

The government have realised it's a fucking disaster zone.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2025 12:45

Basically Farage is making noises so they know they need to head the shit storm off at the pass because those Newspaper Headlines are only going to get worse and they are already in polling hell.

Entirely predictable and preventable if anyone in the Labour Party HQ had remotely had a fucking clue.

They keep thinking this is niche and it will go away. They did not learn from
"Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you" AT ALL.

nicepotoftea · 17/12/2025 12:56

Datun · 17/12/2025 12:20

The only people who really think this trial is a good idea is some middle aged male transitioners who are supportive of criminal behaviour labelled as 'protests' and getting kids to camp outside or harass government departments.

Precisely. And hopefully this is just really dawning on Streeting. And egged on by the targeting of his office.

it's now truly time to just say no. Just fuck off. These men have no real power, they are just criminals. So if they kickoff, arrest them.

Also, he is only 42. Likely to still want a career in politics when the inevitable inquiry concludes in 20 year's time.

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:32

Streeting speaking now. On parliament live tv

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:33

Started 13:26

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:35

Dr Caroline Johnson asking important questions

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:38

Not impressed with Streeting here

PinkFootstool · 17/12/2025 13:44

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:38

Not impressed with Streeting here

Hmm, I'd give him his due - his arse must hurt from sitting on the fence. It's pretty clear to me he doesn't support this trial but he's being forced into it by virtue of his role.

He's a good speaker, but he gave away his position with the vehemence when talking about ideologically driven medics - I assume he means Tavistock.

Not even slightly surprised to see who the gender woo nuts are in the room.

teawamutu · 17/12/2025 14:00

Speaking of which, Kirsty Blackman...

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 17/12/2025 14:40

I'm no more impressed with all this 'awww I dont wanna but they're making me' nonsense than I am with Starmer's '99% of women don't have penises' and Philipson's 'I'm looking at it very very carefully and thinking for a few decades'.

Either it's evidenced, justified and necessary or it isn't. He wanted this job, he is paid to carry the can here, and he needs to either do it or get out of the way and let someone more effective take over.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/12/2025 14:54

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 17/12/2025 14:40

I'm no more impressed with all this 'awww I dont wanna but they're making me' nonsense than I am with Starmer's '99% of women don't have penises' and Philipson's 'I'm looking at it very very carefully and thinking for a few decades'.

Either it's evidenced, justified and necessary or it isn't. He wanted this job, he is paid to carry the can here, and he needs to either do it or get out of the way and let someone more effective take over.

My bet is that he wants saving from more TRA ire by the Court. Spineless.

Imnobody4 · 17/12/2025 15:20

https://x.com/i/status/2001286634042450344

In the Urgent Question on the Puberty Blocker trial, @wesstreeting has just laid it all on Baroness Cass. If she doesn’t support it, he’ll think again. That is not leadership.

#stopthestreetingtrial

Rebecca Paul MP (@Rebecca_SPaul) on X

In the Urgent Question on the Puberty Blocker trial, @wesstreeting has just laid it all on Baroness Cass. If she doesn’t support it, he’ll think again. That is not leadership. #stopthestreetingtrial

https://x.com/i/status/2001286634042450344

DrBlackbird · 17/12/2025 15:36

impossibletoday · 17/12/2025 13:32

Streeting speaking now. On parliament live tv

Depressing how many MPs have stopped using their critical thinking facilities in favour of espousing platitudes. I have a little bit more sympathy for Streeting as he cannot win here. However, given that, he might as well come down on the side of stopping the ‘Streeting Trial’ and stand on the position that he’s saving children from the physical harm.

Harassedevictee · 17/12/2025 16:13

Just catching up on Parliament TV.

Excellent question from Dr C Johnson MP.

Wes is between a rock and a hard place and needs a way out. Listening to him I genuinely think he is trying to navigate this but recognises that ultimately he has to make the decision. He is right Dr Cass is supportive of the trial. If Dr Cass reverses her opinion then I believe he would think again.

The criteria to be accepted on the trial to me seems high and I can see that in practice the numbers admitted to the trial will be very low. I’ve always said informed consent maybe the biggest barrier - how many parents having had the risks fully explained are going to agree?

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2025 16:34

From Hannah Barnes excellent New Statesmen article:

At a briefing on the new trial for parliamentarians on 3 December, Labour MP Jonathan Hinder pointed out that one member of the presenting panel, NHS England’s James Palmer, had been responsible for overseeing and developing youth gender services for more than a decade; Palmer had spoken publicly about it being a “good thing” that so many young people were exploring their gender. “Why on earth is he anywhere near this trial?” Hinder asked, given Palmer had been in a senior position while the many problems at Gids unfolded, but did not act to stop it. Another MP present at the briefing told me how unpersuaded they were by the argument that a new NHS trial was necessary because so many children were accessing puberty blockers from unregulated private providers. Risks and benefits had to be assessed in the safe environment of a trial, it was argued, to safeguard these children as much as possible. (This was an argument when the Tavistock study was seeking ethical approval in 2010, too: an “increasing number of UK families were accessing [puberty blockers] internationally.”)

Streeting MUST address this MASSIVE conflict of interest if the study does go ahead or it will have ZERO credibility.

The scandal at GIDS effectively has never been dealt with and there are individuals like this man who have a vested personal interest in having an NHS approved trial effectively say they weren't negligent the first time around.

This is like someone who caused a bank crash heading up a taskforce on tackling risky traders and corruption and expecting it not to be arsed covering.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2025 16:36

So it's not JUST about whether there is a study. It's also about how they are considering a study that's got such a glaring conflict of interest that it undermines the whole premise.

Never mind about any of the other ethical shit.

This just looks like a chrony study to protect the NHS from liability.

That's REALLY going to set things on fire and is a gift to Farage. That makes the trial a threat to the whole NHS and free health care.

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