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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
LondonRower · 15/11/2025 11:01

usedtobeaylis · 15/11/2025 10:48

But entire sports adopted the idea that there was no advantage, based on testosterone levels only 😒Obviously none of them actually believed it because come on, but the went about their business as if they did.

I'm glad there were experienced people though to pick up on the fact that sportswomen couldn't freely object without their place in their sport being threatened. Anonymous surveys in sport on the subject changed everything.

British Rowing were pretty cowardly on this and only changes their tune after some pretty hard campaigning. They eventually surveyed their members on the issue although they necer released the results despite various leaks suggesting it was 90% plus in favour of banning transwomen from the women's category. They eventually changed their policy but had to be dragged over the line. As you say nobody actually believed the reduced testosterone position but everyone was terrified of social media pile ons and being labelled transphobic.

roseyposey · 15/11/2025 11:36

Thanks for posting this OP

WandaSiri · 17/11/2025 12:40

ApplebyArrows · 14/11/2025 10:01

The problem with transwomen on TV is they're rarely "just there" nowadays and generally seem to be making some kind of political point. (Even if it's just a lazy "let's throw in a trans to prove we're progressive" as I suspect was the case with Riot Women.)

Also I get the impression there are rather more transwomen than transmen on TV for some reason...

And they're being handed acting jobs a woman could have had.

There are far fewer parts for older women (compared to men and young women) and even fewer parts for women who are taller and more heavily built than average. Those are the parts that go to men who say they're women and it's so unfair.

Edited SPAG

JamieCannister · 18/11/2025 07:12

ProfessorRizz · 15/11/2025 09:51

I’m an early adopter. I knew a trans person over 20 years ago who transitioned after doing tree protests in Oregon. She was autistic and had a tricky relationship with herself and others, so ‘trans’ was a fun and exciting (and positive?) way to express this. She’s currently living a very limited life without much independence or any social support, it’s sad.

At the same time, I’ve been working in secondary schools for 20 years. I’ve seen ‘emo’ tribes turn into ‘trans’ tribes. I’ve always asked questions rather than pushed back. It’s very much on the wane, last few ‘trans/NB’ kids are in Year 13.

I presume you mean "instead of each year group having a bunch of emo kids hanging out, by 20xx it was a bunch of "trans" kids." To what extent would you be able to say that the same kids that were emos would have been trans if born 10 years later, and the trans kids would vice versa have been emos if born earlier?

Were there any groups which existed at the cusp and literally changed from trans to emo?

Clearly there are always people who dress "normally", some towards the geekier or squarer end of the normal scale, and some towards the more fashionable and well dressed end. And there are always kids who choose to be part of a tribe that dresses a bit, or very, different (I was one, not an extreme version, but I was one).

I wonder how much of the teenage / social contagion end of this is nothing more than (1) the sort of kids who naturally wants to be part of an "alternative" tribe, plus (2) the death of significant cultural movements within music that would form the basis of most of those tribes? Kids subconsciously needing to be part of something different AND wanting to show that difference by the way they dress, and trans being the only outlet?

ProfessorRizz · 19/11/2025 06:13

JamieCannister · 18/11/2025 07:12

I presume you mean "instead of each year group having a bunch of emo kids hanging out, by 20xx it was a bunch of "trans" kids." To what extent would you be able to say that the same kids that were emos would have been trans if born 10 years later, and the trans kids would vice versa have been emos if born earlier?

Were there any groups which existed at the cusp and literally changed from trans to emo?

Clearly there are always people who dress "normally", some towards the geekier or squarer end of the normal scale, and some towards the more fashionable and well dressed end. And there are always kids who choose to be part of a tribe that dresses a bit, or very, different (I was one, not an extreme version, but I was one).

I wonder how much of the teenage / social contagion end of this is nothing more than (1) the sort of kids who naturally wants to be part of an "alternative" tribe, plus (2) the death of significant cultural movements within music that would form the basis of most of those tribes? Kids subconsciously needing to be part of something different AND wanting to show that difference by the way they dress, and trans being the only outlet?

Literally emo kids changed to trans kids overnight. Non-binary if they were less extreme. 2015 seemed to be the tipping point. One girl has since undergone extensive surgery, it’s really sad, her health is very poor.

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