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UK transwoman suing because Irish citizenship not recognised for his child.

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BruachAbhann · 12/11/2025 13:40

I can't believe we've gotten to this state where a newspaper is referring to 'her sperm'!
Basically, a UK man who has transitioned to transwoman used his frozen sperm to impregnate his female partner (who doesn't have Irish citizenship). He is now suing because the baby is not being recognised as an Irish citizen. He has Irish citizenship but does not want to be registered as the 'father'.

'The woman - who has Irish citizenship while her wife does not - submits that if she has to claim to be the "father" of the child as part of the application, it would be an "offensive, discriminatory and unjust attack" on her person, gender identity and legal status.'

It's so confusing reading the article as the trans woman is being referred to as a 'woman' and 'she' but 'her sperm' really takes the biscuit.

Hopefully, this case might force the Irish government to decide whether biology matters!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/trans-woman-who-used-her-sperm-to-have-baby-with-wife-challenges-irish-citizenship-refusal-for-child/a1333201313.html?errorCode=0

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A UK transgender woman, who used her frozen sperm to have a baby with her wife, has been granted permission to bring a High Court challenge against a refusal to grant Irish citizenship to the child on the basis that she is not the biological mother.
The woman - who has Irish citizenship while her wife does not - submits that if she has to claim to be the "father" of the child as part of the application, it would be an "offensive, discriminatory and unjust attack" on her person, gender identity and legal status.
At the High Court this week, the woman was granted leave to challenge a refusal by the State, which does not recognise her as the birth mother, to enter the child on the Foreign Births Register.
The case is being taken by the child through the woman against the Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Attorney General and Ireland.
The woman is seeking a declaration from the High Court that she is legally and genetically a parent of the child.
She is also seeking an order compelling the State to register the child on the Foreign Births Register and for the child to be granted citizenship under Section 7 (1) of the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956.

Persons born outside of Ireland who have an Irish national grandparent born in Ireland may obtain Irish citizenship through registration with the Foreign Births Register, which is maintained by the Department of Foreign Affairs.
In submissions to the High Court the woman, who was born male, states that she is a UK resident but with Irish citizenship through her own lineage.
The submissions state that the woman had stored sperm with a UK fertility clinic, intending it to be used at a future date. She changed her name and transitioned from a man to a woman under UK law, receiving a UK gender recognition certificate.
The woman married her female partner and frozen sperm was then used to have a baby with her wife by an IVF procedure at a UK clinic.
The woman says she fears any UK withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights would mean her family could lose its protections and status in that country.

It is submitted by the woman that her child was refused entry into the foreign births registry - thereby denying Irish citizenship - as the woman was not the biological mother of the child and because her wife, who gave birth to the child, was not an Irish citizen.
The woman submitted that the Department of Foreign Affairs informed her that "under Irish law, as applied to date, the mother of the child is the woman who gives birth to the child and therefore the child would derive their citizenship through that mother".
It is claimed by the woman the department's position is that, because she is not the biological mother of the child, she therefore does not meet the requirement of an Irish citizen parent and the application cannot proceed.
The woman further submits that she could have claimed to be the "father" of the child and "could have possibly obtained citizenship by descent that way". "I feel it would invalidate me as a trans woman, invalidate my legal status as a woman and invalidate my same-sex marriage," she said.
The woman submits that if she had to claim to be the "father" of the child, it would be an "offensive, discriminatory and unjust attack" on her person, gender identity, legal status and on same-sex marriage.
The woman also submits this would also be an unjust attack "on the State's obligation to protect the family as the natural and fundamental unit group of society".
Ms Justice Sara Phelan granted the woman leave for judicial review of the matter and adjourned the case to January.

Trans woman who used her sperm to have baby with wife challenges Irish citizenship refusal for child

A UK transgender woman, who used her frozen sperm to have a baby with her wife, has been granted permission to bring a High Court challenge against a refusal to grant Irish citizenship to the child on the basis that she is not the biological mother.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/trans-woman-who-used-her-sperm-to-have-baby-with-wife-challenges-irish-citizenship-refusal-for-child/a1333201313.html?errorCode=0

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BruachAbhann · 12/11/2025 13:52

It seems to me that this man/transwoman wants to be recognised in law as being the 'mother'. If that happened it means any man who identified as a woman could claim to be a mother, thus further eroding women's rights and the position of women in society.

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DeanElderberry · 12/11/2025 14:01

Any trouble serves the government right for putting gender self-ID on the statute book. I hope everyone in the country reads about this one and makes their feelings known.

Sskka · 12/11/2025 14:11

Haha ffs. I’d enjoy watching Ireland squirm on the hook of its own virtue signalling here, were it not so inevitable that this will end up in a sorry capitulation.

DuchessofReality · 12/11/2025 14:22

Interesting but how does it work with same sex couples? Is Irish citizenship granted on the basis of biological parents, or parents named on the birth certificate, or both?

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/11/2025 14:26

I couldn't finish reading that - it gave me a headache.

BruachAbhann · 12/11/2025 14:29

As far as I know Irish citizenship is granted through the father or mother's side, but the issue is the transwoman doesn't want to be listed as the father. I think he could get citizenship for the child through that route if he was down as the father, he's just not willing to do that.

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KkkIt · 12/11/2025 14:39

But but but.. In UK law he is the child's father anyway - it's explicit in the GR Act that a person remains the father or mother of any children. (cf also Freddy McConnell.) And they all live in the UK.

The child should get Irish citizenship by the sounds of it but the parent seems to be deliberately making life pointlessly complicated for the kid in a way that does not bode well.

Mustreadabook · 12/11/2025 14:43

KkkIt · 12/11/2025 14:39

But but but.. In UK law he is the child's father anyway - it's explicit in the GR Act that a person remains the father or mother of any children. (cf also Freddy McConnell.) And they all live in the UK.

The child should get Irish citizenship by the sounds of it but the parent seems to be deliberately making life pointlessly complicated for the kid in a way that does not bode well.

This child was not registered with them as the father though, so they do not remain the father. They are refusing to be registered as the father.

NecessaryScene · 12/11/2025 14:45

If he didn't want to be the child's father, he should probably have used his eggs instead of his sperm.

Just saying.

KkkIt · 12/11/2025 14:52

Mustreadabook · 12/11/2025 14:43

This child was not registered with them as the father though, so they do not remain the father. They are refusing to be registered as the father.

Ah. So a deadbeat dad trying to avoid parental responsibility by not being named on the birth certificate!

Well maybe not but clearly not able to consider the child's interests as being different but as important as the parents.

Catwalking · 12/11/2025 14:56

Who’s paying for all this legal stuff.
I find all this attention seeking somewhat masculine, unsurprisingly.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 12/11/2025 14:59

Dude sounds exhausting...

ditalini · 12/11/2025 15:00

It'll be interesting to see the Irish take on this. I think the case law is pretty clear in the UK:

  • Freddie McConnell failed in her attempt to be recorded as her children's father (I think the ruling cited the right of the child to have their parentage recorded accurately)
  • The Supreme Court ruled that sex means biological sex and I don't see how you get around pretending that parentage isn't the ultimate expression of sex, particularly when your reason for applying for the judgment relies on something that is predicated on you being biologically related to your child.
ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 15:01

The man is a twit, but hopefully a useful twit, who will demonstrate to the Irish government just what kind of stupid problems they have set themselves up for.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/11/2025 15:02

BruachAbhann · 12/11/2025 13:52

It seems to me that this man/transwoman wants to be recognised in law as being the 'mother'. If that happened it means any man who identified as a woman could claim to be a mother, thus further eroding women's rights and the position of women in society.

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Yes I agree. Trojan horse.

Find a very rare situation where being a non-biological social "mother" rather than the biological father has a significant detriment, aim to persuade one judge "well that doesn't seem fair to force her to declare herself a father just to get a right she already has" and get a legal ruling that a biological father TW can be the legal biological mother, then another activist trans parent brings a more general "I want to be recorded as the bio [parent of the sex I am not] " using the previous case as a precedent to force the legal conclusion because otherwise the law would be inconsistent.

I hope the judge on this one is very very wary of the implications of their judgement.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/11/2025 15:07

NecessaryScene · 12/11/2025 14:45

If he didn't want to be the child's father, he should probably have used his eggs instead of his sperm.

Just saying.

Well quite 😂

elgreco · 12/11/2025 15:10

Irish law cannot change a British birth cert.
I think even if the child had been born in ireland only the birth mother can be registered as mother.

elgreco · 12/11/2025 15:10

What a wate of fucking money.

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 12/11/2025 15:15

I sort of get the idea where somebody either thinks they can change sex, or that 'gender identity' overrides sex, and so they reckon that a man can become a woman or a woman can become a man...

But how can you possibly identify out of, or into, being a mother or father of a child to whom you've either given birth or fathered?

And if you genuinely have such dysphoria and/or rejection of the idea of being the sex that you biologically are, why on earth would you deliberately choose to express your 'identity' of being a man or a woman (whichever you want to be) by doing something that categorically can only be done by the sex of person that you reject being (even though you are)?

The same as with Freddy, it's extraordinarily self-centred to assume that somebody else's birth - and the official record of it and consequential factors, such as their national identity/entitlement - should actually be all about you.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 12/11/2025 16:02

FGS how far can delusion be enabled before deciding that a person really has to face some boundaries of reality?

He's welcome to not be registered as his child's father if it's against his wishes and choices.

He is not welcome to change his child's reality to suit himself. His child's rights supercede his, his child not being an extension of his identity but a person. Hopefully the court will make this clear to him.

CraftandGlamour · 12/11/2025 16:04

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 12/11/2025 16:02

FGS how far can delusion be enabled before deciding that a person really has to face some boundaries of reality?

He's welcome to not be registered as his child's father if it's against his wishes and choices.

He is not welcome to change his child's reality to suit himself. His child's rights supercede his, his child not being an extension of his identity but a person. Hopefully the court will make this clear to him.

Exactly this. The birth certficate belongs to the child, not this absolute narc of a dad.

SageSorrelSaffron · 12/11/2025 16:05

My guess is Ireland will completely bend the knee to this delusion. And cry hateful on anyone that even raises as eyebrow.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 16:07

NecessaryScene · 12/11/2025 14:45

If he didn't want to be the child's father, he should probably have used his eggs instead of his sperm.

Just saying.

This.

Oh wait reality.

He is the child's father. He is trying to gaslight his child. He think he is the centre of the universe and should get special treatment.

He is acting very much like a narc on a power trip.

The words are 'tough shit'.

We really need to focus on and centre THE CHILD in all this. Its not about Daddy and his ego issues.

Northquit · 12/11/2025 16:10

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/11/2025 14:26

I couldn't finish reading that - it gave me a headache.

Gender Wang!

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