Criticism of Islam is a protected belief

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15272771/Criticism-Islam-ruled-legally-protected-belief-man-banned-fined-thousands-pounds-social-media-posts.html

I wasn't able to find the judgment. There'll be a hearing in February but it's not clear to me whether claimant's beliefs have already been tested for Grainger compliance. Either way, the tribunal will (also) have to address objectionable manifestation (Bananarama doctrine).

I've raised it here because of the parallels with Forstater. It's a constant refrain of TRAs that permitting Forstater belief is tantamount to attacking GR as a protected characteristic. They do not understand secularism (or the SC ruling).

Of course the situation is not the same insofar as Islam has not been written into our law and Muslims don't expect the rest of us to follow its rules.

Article 9, anyone?

There are at least two clear pro-lifers in this thread.

Says the person who wonders how someone in the burkha can eat 😆

You can support women's right to abortion (I do) without denying it's very often a difficult choice and frequently a trauma, you know.

women bad, duplicitous and sinful

except Tamar, Rahab, Sarah, Rebecca, Leah, Rachel, Dinah, Miriam, Deborah, Jael, Huldah, Hannah, Bathsheba,Judith, Sarah (the other one) Anna, Ruth, Susanna, Esther, the widow who fed Elijah, the mother in Maccabees who saw her sons tortured and killed, others I've forgotten. And Lady Wisdom.

And many of the men are seriously stinkers.

I think your reading of the Bible is very odd.

Why wear a cross when you don't have to? Why do so many religions have dress codes oriented around modesty? Why doesnt every single member adhere to them? Why do some adhere to them?

It depends on how you wish to express your religion in your personal presentation. It's an individual choice. We had several girls who would wear hijab but their mothers would not. Sometimes the whole house adheres to those dress codes. My best friend always said she would wear hijab when she takes her religion seriously. She started wearing it at about 30. None of her siblings or her mum wears hijab except at Eid. She wears it all the time now.

That's not what was said, though. You can see clearly what that person wrote. They said it is difficult (and insinuated that women always find it difficult) because you are ending a life. The idea that a fetus is a life is a philosophical/religious/spiritual but very individual belief. It is a pro-life belief.

Naomi, another non bad, duplicitous or sinful woman. Slightly mean to Ruth, but in a pragmatic sort of way and it all worked out for the best. Mainly thanks to Boaz being quite improbably decent and virtuous.

Please let women determine how they feel without resorting to labels.

A baby can't survive without you (or some other human) looking after all its needs. That continues for some years, it's quite awhile before a young human can survive alone. Fetuses are humans, they are people. They exist from the moment of conception, otherwise you have to arbitrarily decide just when they become human or get a soul.

The label of pro-lifer goes to those who believe all fetuses of every pregnant woman has a life that ended when a woman aborts the pregnancy, regardless of gestation. If you have that belief and share it, you will be known as a pro-lifer because you believe that fetuses have a life in a comparable sense to a human who has been born or perhaps could survive independently outside the womb.

You may not be the type that harasses women outside abortion clinics, but you share their beliefs.

3 pro lifers.

Yep.

@JadeSquid So what is your definition of human life? When does it begin? Because as I said, even a baby cannot survive when born unless it gets continuous care.

Before birth, it begins when the mother says it does. A baby doesn't need its mother to stay alive - anyone can keep it alive (especially now). A fetus does need the gestating mother to stay alive. Specifically her.

Can you grasp how illogical that is - "life begins when I say it does"? That's not going to work in wider society.

Oh dear.

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/burqa/

The choices are to take it off or squirrel food and water away underneath. Face covering is an extreme cultural expression of islam. I consider it repressive and limiting. You consider a gestating foetus a parasite. As ever on mn you do you.

"The gestating mother" @JadeSquid ? You're a transphobe!

Me? I’m asking that you stop putting your belief on to other women.

I’m nowhere near clinics. I’m not even posting that women should feel a certain way as you are.

I find your posts problematic as they don’t give women the freedom to determine their own feelings.

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That's very sad.

My views are that to fix the epidemic abortion problem we'd need to fix other aspects of society first. Banning abortion wouldn't do that. People would still carry on having unwanted pregnancies and finding other even more harmful ways to deal with that. We need to address the economics that drive women to abort babies because of financial issues, and to address the pre-marital sex epidemic as well. It's a major overhaul of society that's needed, really.

I think its morally acceptable and it should be legal to criticise ALL religions be they Islam, Judaism, Christianity etc.

I thinks its ok to criticise clothing restrictions be they no jeans or enforced burkas.

I think its ok to criticise abortion rights be they non existent or right up to birth.

I agree with you. How else do we discuss difficult issues and differences?