They scraped Mumsnet again.

[ArabellaSaurus]

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https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

All these fantasy themed names suggest something

Yes: an inability to accept the real world in which you are one of eight billion and are nothing special. A desire to turn the world into your personal 24/7 video game in which you are the playable character and everyone else is a non-playable character whose sole reason for existing is to further the plot for the playable character.

Basically, these people are Walter Mitty levels of fantasist, coupled with an apparent failure to recognise that magic isn't real and hence the D&D "Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity" doesn't exist in real life.

The real reason why they hate us is because they go around in this fantasy and, when we say "he" and "the gents is the next door along mate", we break their immersion in that fantasy.

We really are a bunch of horrible fun-sponging bastards, aren't we?

Amazing!

"Men take data non-consensually from women in order to tell women why women object to men ignoring their boundaries".

I bet these dudes have never actually properly listened to a woman their whole lives.

reactionary language: 'sex' 'biology' 'science' 'statistics' 'history' 'facts' 'truth'

recruit new GC members: say something that another woman had been afraid they were alone in thinking

storytelling: describing experiences of male aggression and oppression (very dangerous, women should not be let do this, ever)

While I get its important to identify communities & processes that are gateways to the far right
But obviously the gateways to the equally dangerous far left should be left wide open....
(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

I almost admire the versatility of the ways men have used to try to shut us up.

Still not working, though.

Though (sad times) perhaps not all pythons are male?

(And, FWIW, I think the GC position is apolitical. Not left, not right, just acceptance of reality.)

It would be if it were just about the logistics of how to manage competing rights. But it tends to wade much deeper into far right waters in terms of hyper disgust of challenges to traditional social norms that's perceived as 'degeneracy' spreading like a 'disease' corrupting the populous …a sign of 'civilisational decline'.

Gosh.
Hyperbole much?
Men aren't women. That's all.

No response to the dangers posed by the far left, then?

What impact of video games? Which video games, all of them, or only certain ones? I see the denigration of gaming (normally video, but also be tabletop) quite often on MN and I am yet to understand it.

said no GC poster on FWR ever

not just because of the mixed metaphors and grammatical confusion

They really seem to struggle with the question "how can we find out what they're saying?"

Look, sure, the far left certainly can & does go overboard with authoritarianism, In more recent times see: 'cancel culture' in their quest for ideological purity in terms social justice & historically class based fascism. But the context on this thread is the far right & GC's not the left & its many foibles.

Ha! Exactly.

Is this scraping why our boards have been relatively nice and quiet I wonder, he and his mates were warned off so as to keep the data "pure". Oh wait, I forgot, we already have men who post on here, bots from other countries...
I think the data pool might already be too contaminated to say "all women do X".
Such as shame as I'd love to live life like a Magic 8 Ball and just have a few predetermined reactions to things.

@Howseitgoin You don't seem to see a problem with telling posters on this board what they think and believe, without actually listening to them. And labeling posters GC.

Every thread? Every single one? links to those posts please

I do wonder how they address this in their methodology. We have loads of Reddit posters coming over to post threads and responses - how do they ensure they're not getting fake, whipped up posts? There are loads on MN that scream "this never happened" in general.

I think if men object to women discussing male sexual violence, men should stop engaging in sexual violence.

Oh Ive been listening. It's fascinating to me how people think about an issue & why they think that way. That's part of why I'm here.

Like most if not all corrupted causes, they start off with kernels of truth/legitimate grievances but has ended up as a gate way to extremism. And by my experience here I certainly notice the similarities with MRA sites. I suppose its part of the human condition where people look for opportunities to project their deep insecurities onto a vehicle but kid themselves its for a higher purpose when its clearly not about that because of the scapegoat element.

Trying to work out how the data has been analyzed.

In our findings, we present qualitative analyses of user posts that demonstrate how these discursive practices are deployed by GC users alongside quantitative data (which we note by token count in each dataset: nOvarit and nFSG, respectively) that contextualizes the prevalence of each pattern

We looked at some posts and picked out some likely looking words. We then counted up the number of times these words (or derivatives) occurred in all the messages

Figure 3. “Coming out” posts from Ovarit (left) and FSG (right; anonymized; highlight emphasis added)

The anonymization seems to be limited to blacking out the poster's user name whilst showing the full text of the post. I have not tried but I am guessing it would be pretty easy to just search on post text to find the original message. Does not seem a very effective way of anonymizing a poster's identity

... examination of post text across each dataset using Python and digital humanist tools for the purposes of identifying patterns and outliers (see Appendix A for details)

Has anyone found appendix A yet?

And yet again the false teaming with the far right. Best ignore his repetitive slurs tbh.