Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

All of the parties need to club together and employ great marketing expert to convince older people that losing the triple lock doesnt mean they wont get inflation increases.

Then every party could put it into their manifesto and no one party has to cope with angry pensioners alone.

Pretends to be Audrey Hepburn. 'Day one of being a girl'. Nobody could tell if he was parody.

Damn it, I will remember hia name. Don't tell me!

Dylan. Mulvanay!

There's no parody in making $millions.
You think "being a girl" comes cheap?

If it was me, id only remember his name in about three weeks time at 2 in the morning, so im impressed it only took you half an hour.

There were people who were concerned about his international links, and the weird birthers - I'm not sure how much of that was really grass roots and how much whipped up. But there was a sense that he governed more as an internationalist and was keen to get the US tied up in a lot of international conflicts.

Though something I noticed when Harris was running was that there seemed to be much more of a feeling in the black community that both of them, but Obama in particular, weren't authentic. In that culturally they weren't part of the American black community but they pretended they were. There seemed to be a sense that they were being patronised.

I think if you look at the people in power in other political systems, and those who control wealth in any given country, you would see exactly the same things.

Most of the people on those Epstein sex planes were not members of royal families.

I agree : but at least politicians can be voted out. A hereditary royal family cannot.

There was this brilliant moment in 2016 when the Republican convention was happening in Cleveland, and the Spectator's Freddie Gray was doing vox pops outside, and he stopped an older black woman who said "I don't like Trump. He's too black."

Freddie was completely nonplussed, but I know exactly what she meant. Trump is not the most mentioned white man on hip-hop records for no reason.

I think there's an element with the Democrats where their black base was led for so long by Jesse Jackson, who has his faults but is grounded in the African-American experience, and it turns out the black candidates they nominate have cosmopolitan multicultural backgrounds and spent their formative years abroad.

When Biden said Obama was the first black candidate who was good looking and clean and articulate, most people put that down to Biden being old and a bit racist, but I think Biden was doing that thing he often used to do of saying something insightful but in such a crass way that the audience missed the point. I think Biden's point was that Democrats wanted for decades to have a black candidate, but it needed to be a black candidate who wouldn't scare Middle America, and the candidate they had available was Al Sharpton.

Re the authenticity point, the biography Rising Star was very interesting on how Obama DID arguably change his behaviour (his walk, his language, among other things) to appear more 'culturally African-American'. Some did see this as false or calculating, though arguably how different was it from other politicians' image-moulding? While no one questioned his love for Michelle, some interviewees argued he aimed to date someone like her because she was rooted in the African-American Chicago community, unlike his Kenyan-Indonesian-Hawaii (where he was raised by white grandparents) etc childhood. Much of the racial identity soul-searching in Dreams From My Father appears to have been a later narrative rather than an actual process he went through.

I was reading Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie's novel Americanah recently and the protagonist argues that Obama was probably more likely to have won in 2008 than a fully African-American candidate. He is, of course, technically speaking the first mixed-race President, and his more cosmopolitan background was an advantage probably as well as a disadvantage. Whether a US-raised, fully African-American candidate otherwise identical to Obama could have won in 2008 is an open question, though I personally think yes.

Good point re hip-hop. The Boondocks (when it was a newspaper satire rather than a TV series) has the younger gangster rap-obsessed brother (it's about 2 preteen brothers) argue that Bill Clinton is 'gangster' because of the Lewinsky affair.

Trump's fondness for bling, sexually crude and arguably misogynistic behaviour, crass ambition & thumbing his nose at the establishment tapped this kind of nerve much more strongly!

Can I ask for more detail on Ben Summerskill? What were the extremist demands he had to navigate?

Actually we can vote the Royals out. If a majority voted YP or Green a few times then a referendum on the Royals would happen sooner or later.

Look at Sultana it is one of her priorities suddenly.

Of course the fact a majority of the UK either like the Royals or don't care is why it won't happen.

Imagine having Polanski or Sultana for president.

Let's hope he can shake out the dreadful Robert Jenrick.

Kemi Badenoch needs to stand firm. I do think that Reform have already peaked.

I think there is something in human beings and societies which seeks to transcend such politics and is attracted by the idea of annointment and sacrifice for the overall good of the group. Stability and constancy are important symbols and Kingship is a high calling.

Ben Walker in the NS looks at what current polling suggests.

Nationally, Your Party is all but dead. Its voters have moved to another party.

Local elections in Asian Muslim-heavy wards in London and Birmingham may bear boons for Your Party or Your Party-aligned independents, if indeed they are organised locally and don’t concede that wing of voting options to the Greens.

Polanski’s own favourability among Pakistani and Bangladeshi voters, for instance, is greater than it is among white British people. <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/7xxfG/yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53273-what-do-britains-ethnic-minorities-think-of-british-politics-october-2025" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">But he is dwarfed by the number favourable towards Corbyn, by far the most popular politician for this cohort.

If Your Party aspires to carry on being something, it wouldn’t be a national force. But it would disproportionately find strength in Muslim-heavy areas. And in truth, that may bear it more MPs than its national vote total might justify.

Your Party's future lies with Muslim voters - New Statesman

I'm sure that's what all blank slate atheist socialists want, an alliance with one of the three monotheistic religions, after decades of ridiculing Christianity, and now turning against Jews. Yep, let's ally with Islam, lol.
There aren't the memes for this PhD level batshittery.
Marx would be turning in his Highgate plot.
Polanski favourable with Pakistani voters and Bangladeshi voters? Why?
Because he has a brown, non Christian deputy?

Will be interesting to see if he leans into this.

Will he still be as upfront on the LGBTQ stuff.

Meanwhile the 5 Pillars activists are emphasising that Muslim voters have their own concerns thank you very much, and aren't there to be occasionally tapped as a "vote bank"

https://5pillarsuk.com/2025/05/03/the-solution-to-defeating-reform-uk-isnt-going-back-to-labour/

Sectarian politics is here to stay, and only get worse. One of the very worst aspects of the decline in our politics and civic discourse.

Just seen a thing on twitter saying greens on 10%, they were 19% before Christmas. Maybe his appearance on the last leg didnt inspire.

Any appearance on C4 light "entertainment" should bar you from power forever.
Polanski thinks he can simply appropriate Trump and Farage populist tactics.
The midwit doesn't realize that Trump has been working his schtick for three decades at least, and Farage has been doing the hard yards since the first term of Blair.

Juan Carlos had to abdicate and currently lives in exile in the ME. His son is now the King. They are now much reduced, and consist of just the nuclear family of Monarch, spouse and 2 DD's.

What do the King Charles and the POW 'sacrifice' for the overall good of the group? Unless the group is the Monarchy itself as an institution?

I think Reform have peaked too, and their performances in the councils they run will be telling. Not to mention, people talk about Labour constituencies being dependent on their welfare dependent voters but people in Reform areas like Clacton, Lincolnshire, Gt Yarmouth etc have huge amounts of people on PIP. In Farages constituency of Clacton, double the National average. Reform wont be able to say anything about cutting the welfare bill because of this, and nothing about pensions because their vote skews to the older demographic. They wont be able to do anything. Polanski, I think he will crash and burn too. He is just too prone to patronising gaffes like his 'I don't want to wipe bums so Id rather import a poor person from Africa to do it for low wages' and his 'I'll listen to women but only to tell them how wrong they are'!