Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

They also have a higher number of members in Cardiff East

Going to be interesting to see how many candidates they run in the Senedd elections or if they endorse Greens or Plaid instead in some areas.

With the new system even if they only get a thousand votes or more they could have a significant impact on Green progress in Wales for instance.

In Scotland the hotspots are Glasgow and Edinburgh. Glasgow in particular is definitely going to see them fielding candidates. Could have impact on the Greens there.

Cardiff East on the Nowcast is looking like, believe it or not, a five-way race where a very small swing could tip the balance.

Ceredigion Preseli is of course safe Plaid.

Wow!

Also pasted in the Green Party thread.

Jamie Driscoll has now switched to Team Polanski

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrnm56xdr5o

Charlie Mansell pondering if there might be any implications for the relinquished liability of the members subs his faction alongside Sultana had collected in case it might follow him

Zarah Sultana is now protesting outside the prison where one of the Palestine Action hunger strikers is held. It must be clear to her constituents that she cares more about a conflict thousands of miles away than her constituents.

The whole Palestine-support thing baffles me. Yes, they are suffering. (Let's not talk about October 7th of course). But we've seen war in Sudan Syria and others - why is Palestine so important compared to the others? Why is it a major issue for political point-scoring when there's almost nothing we in this country can do about it?

Protesting in support of the bloke who broke a woman's spine with a sledgehammer? Twisted.

I don't think it's been clarified yet if this is an all-out hunger strike, or what's called a 'rolling' hunger strike, which is a bit like the 5:2 diet.

Because no politician has ever been able to address foreign policy and domestic policy at the same time.

This misses the point.

Many voters already feel that their domestic issues are not being managed well.

Not saying this in support of that violence, but that is a different group of people with a court case currently taking place Woolwich Crown Court which doesn't seem to be in the news.

As I understand if the group on hunger strike are charged with criminal damage against air craft. And part of the protest is they were reterospectively more seriously charged, after Palestine Action became a proscribed group. ie original charges were made more severs even though the action took place earlier.

Its like when people say those who silent protest are support Palestine Action when most of the protests are about the right to protest.

Its regularly reported if you are interested.

The latest one easily available to find by googling is:

Supporters of the detainees confirmed to BBC News on Wednesday that Jon Cink and Umer Khalid had both ended their hunger strike after 41 days and 13 days respectively.

Qesser Zuhrah and Amy Gardiner-Gibson are said to have each been refusing food for 45 days. Heba Muraisi began her protest a day later. Teuta Hoxha is said to have refused for 38 days and Kamran Ahmed 37 days.

An eighth prisoner is described by supporters as intermittently joining the protest but then breaking it because of an underlying health condition.

Some of the group have had periods in hospital but in each case they have been discharged or have self-discharged.

So why bring up an MP's actions regarding Palestine in relation to that, unless it is to suggest that there is a conflict of interest between the two - some kind of zero sum game in which whatever energy they're putting into that is the reason why their constituents domestic issues are not being managed?

IOW, "because no politician has ever been able to address foreign policy and domestic policy at the same time".

I mean, it's not like that's what all governments do, all the time or anything

Because being anti Israel is an article of faith for the Left.

Antisemitism. Palestine is the only cause where they can be anti Israel and bash the Jews. All the other conflicts you mentioned are Muslims abusing other Muslims or Christians so it doesn't fit with their narrative hence they get little or no mention

Its a rolling hunger strike thats why at day 47 now nobody has died, the IRA hunger strikers started to die at day 40 and I don't remember any making it past day 44.
Its a complete joke as they're even cos playing at hunger striking

Quite. You don't see anyone on the left insisting that everyone has to be anti Burma, to take a random example.

Recently there's been a huge argument among organisers of anti Tommy Robinson protests about whether "Zionists" should be excluded - which seems to mean Jews aren't allowed to oppose TR unless they've jumped through hoops to prove how anti Israel they are.

Let's remember that UK Jews, though many (perhaps most) of them have reservations about what the Israeli government may be doing at any particular point in time, the vast majority of them have family in Israel and almost all of them are "Zionist" in the minimal sense of believing Israel shouldn't be wiped off them map. So that excludes almost the whole community.

This is often lost on Corbyn fans who have convinced themselves that Tony Greenstein and David Rosenberg represent some kind of substantial constituency in the community.

Because as an MP, if your constituents think you are not even managing to deal with the issues that directly affect them, they are going to seriously resent you spending your time working on the interets of people in a completely differernt country.

It's the same problem where voters see their local services like garbage collection, housing, roadwork, being ignored or mismanaged, while at the same time their local representatives are spending their time working on LGBYQ+ issues or Net Zero or whatever.

People won't vote for a politician who is spending their time on trendy causes while not getting their actual job done. Sultana is likely to struggle to be reelected if that is how her constituents see her.

To be fair to Corbyn, I think he is well-known as being an excellent constituency MP. I've known people who have no interest in party politics, but vote for their MP because they've sorted an issue for them. The zealous tribal obsessives don't understand this type of voter.

There used to be a Sinn Fein councillor in Belfast called Bobby Lavery. There's a well known story about a pensioner with a leaky roof who complained to every candidate who called at his door. They all promised to write to the Housing Executive, except for Bobby, who got a ladder and fixed the roof himself.

I don't think Corbyn climbs many ladders, but he's been an MP for over 40 years and he's excellent at constituent casework.

On the other hand, I can think of MPs who enjoyed a high national profile but lost their seats because they didn't do the basic work locally. Evan Harris is a good example. I wasn't surprised when he lost in 2010, because unusually for a Liberal Democrat, he had a reputation of not being very active locally. He seemed to think he could cruise to re-election on the basis of being an advocate for Big Causes, and it turned out he couldn't, not even in Oxford.

There are Gaza candidates winning council seats in my area. But they aren't fighting by-elections on a platform of "yo yo yo I am the candidate who speaks for Gaza and Kashmir". They do a little bit of that, but mostly they're talking about the poor performance of the Labour council and creating a better environment for small business. If they aren't effective councillors they won't last long.

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2024/
The numbers are chilling.

What even are they on hunger strike about? They committed Criminal Damage by breaking into a military base and causing millions of £ worth of damage, which taxpayers will have to pay back. They are lucky security was so lax because they were at risk of being shot. Then they protest against Palestine Action being a proscribed terrorist organisation when PA has a manual that describes how to commit terrorist actions and some of their group have violently assaulted police officers and security guards using the equipment they were advised to arm themselves with in said manual. They have basically fucked about and found out and are now bleating about it. They are awaiting trial, so are getting a fair trial. What do they want? Not to go to court for committing a criminal offence? Luxury beliefs at their finest!

It seems that list of terrorist attacks has left off 9/11, which happened 9/11/2001 and killed 2,997 people that day. I don’t see airplanes as weapons.

It hasn’t left it off. The attacks are grouped into 3 periods.

Interesting development. It is illegal to have list divisions by self described gender that is why even the Scottish Greens stopped doing it. You can do it by sex of course.

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Going to interesting the elections take place in jan/feb 2026
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