Europe must not erase sex - We must resist the imposition of activist fantasies

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When, in mid-October, MPs from the broad left-wing bloc Nouveau Front Populaire tabled a proposal in the French Parliament to remove sex from national identity cards, they prefaced it with an explanation: having one’s sex recorded on identity documents, they claimed, is bad for equality, bad for women, and especially bad for those who identify as transgender. “It is common for an individual’s appearance not to correspond to the stereotypes associated with the sex recorded on their official papers,” they argued, followed by a non sequitur of the highest order: that sex itself is an outdated stereotype.

Feminist discussion groups exploded. One woman asked, “What happened to the French? Have they gone mad?” Truth be told, the same question could be asked of many nations today: have the Irish, Portuguese, Belgians, Germans and others gone mad? And if they have not, what explains why legislators across so many states are suddenly deciding that biological sex — not only a basic fact of human reproduction but a cornerstone of equality and non-discrimination law — is a relic of the past to be discarded like phrenology or geocentrism?

The almost 70 left-wing MPs who backed the proposal in the French National Assembly also claimed that, unlike a person’s height — also recorded on ID cards — recording a person’s sex is not in line with international human rights standards set by the United Nations, the Council of Europe and the European Union. Considering recent developments in these institutions, it seems, at least on the surface, difficult to argue against that claim.

Article continues at https://thecritic.co.uk/europe-must-not-erase-sex/

Sex is a proxy

Oh do give over.

Men who think they’re women think they’re thinking just like a women because they don’t think they’re men but their thinking is flawed because to think like a women they need to be a woman in the first place.

I believe this has been requested before, to no avail ...

The incels will pretend to believe absolutely any old guff if it gives them a stick to beat women with.

It doesn't matter that they don't identify with it. It still exists. If they don't want it mentioned, they ARE denying the reality of sex.

I did not "claim lesbians don't exist because of evolutionary biology". I pointed out that your assertion that we all perform gender stereotypes to attract the opposite sex was denying the existence of lesbians and gender nonconforming women. (And also denies the existence of gay men.)

No, we don't distinguish on sight by gametes, silly billy 🙄

By 9 months, infants can distinguish between male and female faces.

Women and girls in particular are exceptionally good at instinctively distinguishing between males and females using a variety of cues, including but not limited to, structure of facial features, movement and gait, and body shape and composition.

I can certainly scan who is walking towards me from some distance, whether it is a man or a woman. This has no doubt been heightened further following the 3 times I have been physically attacked by men.
The fact that this body may be wearing high heels, has long hair, or fake tits bolted on, is utterly irrelevant.

I know it might be difficult for a man to understand, but women's and girls lives have depended upon our ability to make these distinctions. For hundreds of thousand of years. That's how long we have been on alert to try and stay safe from men who want to hurt us.
Being able to make these distinctions quickly and accurately is extremely important for women and girls.

But you don't give a fuck about them, so it's pretty fruitless for anyone to try and explain this to you.

So are you now agreeing that personality is not dependent on sex?

You'll be agreeing that gender stereotypes are regressive nonsense next.

Shared personality traits are not a reliable categorisation tool in any way.

And it is not possible that a male person can have a same experience as a female person at all.

The routine wilful misinterpretation/misrepresentation of others’ arguments is quite remarkable.

Sex is simply a biological description. No more, no less.

It says nothing about personality or 'identifying with' anything..

Thank God for TERF island. I'm a big fan of the European Union, but this may be the first positive I've seen for Brexit.

This is another great live demonstration of activist’s fantasies.

I am very thankful for Faika El-Nagashi and I look forward to more from the Athena Forum team.

About 35y ago there were horrific race-related riots in the Paris banlieus. I was living in central Paris at the time, and I remember my French landlady and flatmates being utterly confused by this. They had been certain that France had no racial inequalities because of Liberté, Fraternité, Égalité. There had been no evidence (as far as they were aware) of racial problems brewing, because no statistics were gathered. No statistics were gathered about race because pointing out that people were different was irrelevant when they all had Liberté, Fraternité, Égalité, and would ‘other’ them, which would be contrary to the principle of Liberté, Fraternité, Égalité.

I’m not suggesting that people’s race should be recorded on ID documentation. I’m pointing out that the French have already seen the consequence of ignoring material reality when it does not fit in with their philosophy.

Bull shit, @Howseitgoin . Sophisticated BS, where sophisticated has it's original meaning of shallow, without moral compass: think Mary Crawford in Mansfield Park. Unless you were being ironic? Didn't think so.

Here is the interview Faika did with Menno this weekend.

If a treat for you is repeatedly banging your head against a wall.

I wish it wasn't called after Athena, though, that champion of misogyny who rules in favour of acquitting Orestes of matricide because mothers have no part in making the child (i.e. they are men's rent-a-wombs). The Erinyes had it right on that one (unfortunately they are also called the Kindly Ones, mind you, they were not).
But all power to Faika El-Nagashi's elbow!

Maybe it's my French Universalism speaking but I call bullshit. Unlike sex, "race" has no biological validity. Ethnicity, maybe, or skin color.

And more importantly it is certainly not easy to categorize !
I'm definitely female, not a shred of doubt. But my ancestors came mostly from Western France, but also from Italy, Alsace and a great-grandmother was a native of then Indochine. What "race" would that make me?
Obama's mother is pure WASP. Who is to say that he's "Black" ? What about someone who's got one grandfather of African ethnicity and who's very pale, who decides whether they benefit from affirmative action?

If gendered presentation and behaviours are caused by sex and the expression of biological inclinations, why aren't they the same for women the world over and throughout history?

We are not "naive" when we argue that patriarchy imposes gender on us. The imposition of sartorial norms by sex the world over is so that men, with their impaired ability to judge sex based on face and gait and skeletal structure, don't mistake women for men. Without them, a man might make a sexual overture to another man, grant a woman access to a men's space, or fail to prevent a woman from doing a "man's" activity.. What those sartorial norms look isn't based on biology, but on culture, which is why they vary the world over. And they harm women because they exist as a tool of male supremacy. Women don't need them because we can detect men reliably without them.

I'm sure Europe has been taking notes..

So is China and Russia and they're wetting themselves with laughter. They don't need TV for entertainment, they've got the self inflicted implosion of the West to entertain them.

Trans women are men and should be treated as such.

Some robbins are blue...category error, I think, and conflating two ideas that are mutually exclusive. D'you study logic?

This happens in France so shortly after the Pelicot trial. It's like legislators want to find a way to quickly cover up how drug-assisted rape disproportionately hurts women and is perpetrated by men.

It’s on days like this that I particularly miss the ‘laughing’ reaction. Could MN provide a ‘yawn’ option instead?