Met Police will no longer investigate Non Crime Hate Incidents

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This is very breaking. Evan Davies just said it on R4 news. Will try and get a link.

Bloody brilliant!!!

Not the point of the thread at all, but there are somewhat similar services already existing. The main one that jumps to mind is Incogni (not affiliated and I've never used them) who basically write to all/most of the data marketers and get your details removed. As someone who used to work with SARs they are a bit more onerous but I'm sure it's something they could incorporate into their services for an upcharge.

On the subject of the thread, others have already said it much better than I could. The whole system of these needs to be dismantled and repealed. I'm surprised the FSU see this as a win, unless they are just trying to get awareness in the media, but this is not really any sort of victory.

There is the Police National Computer, which holds details of convictions, cautions, warnings, reprimands, and the dates and outcomes of criminal justice proceeding. That's what the DBS mainly checks.

BUT the PNC does not hold records of NCHIs - they are recorded on local police systems.

It’s so bad. It can affect jobs and moving somewhere.

You think they did anything else, even whilst ‘investigating’ it?

The only difference is that previously they’d be fishing for something stronger they could pin on their victim target suspect during those ‘investigations.’

And if they couldn’t find anything, well no matter… the process is part of the punishment.

But it is still absolutely ok for men to shout at women in the street, in full view of the police, hold up signs threatening to rape and decapitate women, do the same to named women online? The police are fine with that, no record or investigations necessary. As per the last decade or so.
So I would say we aren't much further forward.

But isn't that the whole point of it?

Wasn't it designed after the Stephen Lawrence case?

To record bits of Intel here and there to form a picture of somebody who might be a threat. So the police could be more prepared.

In the same way that the Soham murders precipitated CBS checks. Iain Huntley was a known risk, but the information wasn't centralised so he went under the radar.

If NCHIs remain siloed off, you're only going to know the person's a risk, if they don't move house to a different jurisdiction.

i've probably got it wrong, but it seems less than effective not to have them centralised, if you're going to have them at all.

On the question of the reason for recording. Intelligence has to be relevant and significant otherwise you're building a haystack for needles to hide in. It can have influence on wider polucing strategies. There's no excuse for recording at all.

@mumofoneAloneandwell
"How terrifying, in this day and age, the thought of being the victim of a racist assault via tweet or by someone driving by, and for there to be the possibility of there being no legal consequence 🥺😪"

Well, for the most part I don't think there are any legal consequences for racists online.
I unwittingly had a run in with a group of "religious" racists who racially abused me, and when I later looked into their little rabbit hole I realised what a cesspit of openly racist hatred people like them were posting. No nuance or sly doublespeak.. just unfiltered, and proud hatred. Pure bile.

Depends what you want them for. If you want to exude a general air of 'careful, we're watching you' to the populace, that may be quite effective in chilling some thoughts, speech, etc. Or if you want the local police to have a useful tool for bringing out to punish someone without the faff of having to go through arrest, trial, conviction, etc, that can be considered an effective way of storing secret evidence to use against people should the need arise.

The thing is, if it's conceived as an intelligence thing to spot emerging threats - which I think was the post-Stephen Lawrence rationale - I don't in principle have a problem with MI5 or some dedicated unit in the police gathering that kind of intelligence. Whether the cops or MI5 are actually doing useful intelligence gathering is another matter.

But in practice the NCHI regime acts like a parallel criminal justice system.

It's like Fixed Penalty Notices. They were originally designed for dealing with minor motoring offences, then under Tony Blair and subsequent governments they were expanded to deal with a whole range of petty crime and antisocial behaviour. We saw them being used on a massive scale for minor breaches of Covid restrictions.

Many cops love FPNs, because it's easy to put a resolved crime on your stats and be a high performer, whereas actually investigating crimes and gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses and putting together a file for the CPS is an enormous pain in the back end, and then the CPS might decide not to prosecute because you don't quite meet their threshold.

We've got incentives in place that select for lazy box-ticking cops, and select against the kind of conscientious cops who we would actually want to see policing our communities.

You can still be reported for non-criminal acts and have a NCHI recorded on your records without you being informed about it, though. They are still recording it, they are just not investigating it.* *

I've put this into the GL thread as well but it should be here. Times reports that all police forces will no longer records non crime hate incidents:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/dce4c67c-ce9f-4907-935a-a86c2bafff07?shareToken=3ea0ec6d4b4636b1bf405db869aade56

Long overdue and a victory for common sense. Also blow for those dippy, fascistic Wokes.

Let the Police get on with their work and duties.

They also need to wipe the vast majority of them from the system and confirm to those affected individually and publically that they have done so.

I agree, that needs to be done.

There's a couple of pertinent articles in the Telegraph

https://archive.ph/kxVob

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/21/twitter-spats-will-be-treated-as-crimes-instead-of-nchis/

And a bit of a puff piece for the FSU

https://archive.ph/ZcQCB

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/21/how-free-speech-union-turned-tide-non-crime-hate-incidents/

Regarding NCHI's I'm agreeing with the WRN. I think reports of their death are greatly exaggerated.

Andrew Tettenborn in the Spectator also suspects they aren't going away

Non-crime hate incidents aren’t dead yet | The Spectator

This reminds me of that old movie scene where someone says "arrest him!", "for what? he hasn't broken any law".. going on to say it's wrong because if the tables were turned you could be the one being arrested... "I do so for my own protection"... I wish I could remember the movie now!