Met Police will no longer investigate Non Crime Hate Incidents

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This is very breaking. Evan Davies just said it on R4 news. Will try and get a link.

Bloody brilliant!!!

It so disgusting that records are made against individuals and show on DBS checks without investigation , trial or even notifying the person that it’s been recorded. I simply don’t understand how this can be lawful.

if police want to make an anonymised record of alleged incidents to help with pattern spotting that’s up to them, but as the process currently stands it is being grossly abused and is not due for purpose

It absolutely should be. It's a public order offence surely? And a hate crime on the protected characteristic of sex

Hoorah! Waste of time.

Sex isn't a protected characteristic for hate crime purposes

I think it was a misstep of FSU to call this a victory, it doesn't seem like it's going to make much difference to what's recorded.

The coppers won't be calling to anyone's houses and inviting them down to the station for a chat, or arresting anyone at gun point in Heathrow Airport, but it seems to me they just ditching practices that have led to them being ridiculed.

They're not actually changing anything for the people who are being accused of Non Crimes, they making sure they don't bring any public attention down on themselves because of it.

OK so what if someone who just doesn't like you tells the police that you're a racist fuck, and they record a NCHI against your name and you have absolutely no idea they have done this and no opportunity to defend yourself, you just never get another job that requires an enhanced DBS check?

That is not how NCHIs work. Which is the point people are making.

I agree. How can they exist on a persons record and potentially affect their job status etc without them being aware of it. The police resources will be spend on FOIA applications if no-one in the population knows if a record exists against their name

I think this is probably a human rights issue, now I come to think of it.

Surely it is a clear breach of the right to a fair trial.

There should be no information on a DBS certificate that the person concerned is not aware of themselves.

It’s really bad, sinister logging stuff.

We've got historical precedents for this kind of thing. Studies of Gestapo records show that the majority of informers weren't informing on enemies of the regime, they were informing on their annoying neighbours.

The NCHI system provides massive incentives for lazy coppers and malicious complainants, and on that basis alone it should be scrapped.

Good perhaps rather than harassing people for stating biological facts they might think about actually doing what we pay them for

All this means is that you're even less likely to discover if you have one on your police record until you find out you have failed a DBS check or perhaps have trouble travelling or moving abroad. Sinister.

No.

So they can still show up on a police check and potentially affect people's lives.

Fuck that. They need scrapped absolutely and entirely, and the idea of them needs to be expunged from the statute so they can never be countenance again.

If something is not a crime, the police have absolutely no business recording it.

Are there not data protection issues here, surely to fuck?

This doesn't seem to be an improvement at all. Or indeed a change.

Depends on what you mean by "being racist." Discrimination - i.e. Not hiring someone for a job bc of the color of their skin even if they are the most qualified candidate - is still illegal I believe. But do remember that goes for judging ANYONE based on the color of their skin as that is the definition of racism.

But sharing a personal opinion, or someone interpretering (or misinterpreting) a non-criminal, non-violence, otherwise perfectly legal (albeit possibly offensive) action , the police will no longer get involved. And this is as it should be.

But don't worry you're still free to try and cancel people using bluesy and reddit all you like.

So i'm at work

Someone says 'oh shes pissing me off the 'black b*tch' or the 'p- muslim or 'the Jewish -'

To another colleague, about me, and i hear it

I cannot report it to the police????

No. I'm saying it SHOULD be. Sorry just reread my post. I wasn't very clear

I bet they are relieved.

I agree they ae sinister and a total infringement on Civil Liberties, or rather Civil Liberties and freedom of speech for some but not others.

Appalling misuse of State powers against citizens.

Again you’re focusing on thresholds of criminality.

That’s not the issue.

Police are recording these black marks against people when no crime has occurred, and the police are fully aware that the ‘incidents’ do not meet the criminal threshold.

If the police thought a crime had been committed, they would investigate them as a crime. You would be brought in for questioning. Be able to offer your side of the story.
Enter a plea if you’re charged. Have legal representation.

These are not being investigated as a crime, and the police are aware from the offset that they are not criminal, and are (were?) investigating non-crime hate incidents.

People are not made aware of them, and have no recourse to appeal them.

You're may not trying to be dense but you're clearly being a troll. You know darn well it is impossible to police people's feelings.

So you come here and ask all these troll-y dense questions but let me ask you, what do YOU think should happen to someone who does nothing other than calling a black footballer the n word? They should be put in jail? For how long? They should be fined? How much?

Where I live, some black people call each other the n word as a term of endearment. Go to any rap concert - are you going to arrest everyone who uses the n word there bc they're being racist? What about when a black rapper releases songs that use the n word towards another black person in a mean way, or calls women b-words in their songs? Shouldn't they all be arrested too?

And what about calling women "terfs? Why can't I report someone chanting" kill all terfs" as a hate crime against women? Or using cishet in a derogatory way, shouldn't that person be reported to the police for discriminating against someone's sexual orientation and gender identity? Or people who chant "from the river to the sea" for antisemitism?

So Mr. High and mighty super-superior moral high ground. Pray enlighten us, what's your big concern about all those scenerios?? I'm assuming you believe the same law that would put someone in jail for calling a black footballer the n word should be applied to anyone being derogatory towards someone else based on their culture or characteristics, right? I mean, otherwise we'd be DISCRIMINATING about who gets to say what, or be derogatory to who, or in what specific context - and discrimination is horrible right? Bc you couldn't possibly believe that certain people deserve exceptions if they come from a certain background or skin color bc then wouldn't that make you 😲.

Of course you can report it to the police.

You can also report it to the police even if they didn't actually say it, and your colleague may have a NCHI recorded against them, which they are entirely unaware of, and you have just silently wrecked their career and they'll be none the wiser. There will never be any requirement for evidence, none of the burden of proof that applies in actual criminal cases, because the police won't investigate it. They'll just record it.

Meanwhile, other people are out there committing actual crimes with impunity, serious crimes like rape and burglary, and the police can't be arsed to investigate those either, so not only do they get away with it, they don't even get the merest smudge of a black mark on their DBS certificate.