Allison Bailey v Stonewall

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https://x.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1979480101474443398?t=Sg3wz-Pq2S7lpQ2rTpJZ2g&s=19

Well yes, that's what we all know or at least suspect. Denton's Playbook and all that. And I completely agree that the Champions scheme was a nightmare in waiting: companies know there is a social value in being accepted into the scheme, and even more value in being in the top rankings. So they not only bend over backwards to do what Stonewall say but to outpace other companies for a place in the Top 100. It placed so much power in Stonewall's hands with - as far as I can see - no oversight or safeguard.

My question was whether they could claim in court that they truly believed at the time that the advice they were giving - and the actions they were encouraging companies to take - was correct and only found after the SC ruling last year that they weren't.

(Of course, what someone claims retrospectively as a defence and the reasons for acting in a certain way originally may or may not be the same thing...)

https://x.com/i/status/2052768696859242818

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Stonewall should absolutely instruct Steph. Just for entertainment purposes.

It’ll be pompous windbag, surely?

My question was whether they could claim in court that they truly believed at the time that the advice they were giving - and the actions they were encouraging companies to take - was correct

Why would it help them to do so?

Oh NC is so naughty! Goading them into appointing one of the useless usual suspects who would obvs make a total hash of it. I so hope they do this - the entertainment value! If Ben Cooper got a mention for his good advice, I wonder if the opposite might apply…?

Obviously RMW was involved in the original tribunal for Stonewall as junior counsel, this is the origin of all the bundle jokes.

Ahh! Thanks - I was thinking I should go back to see if Tribunal Tweets had covered the other hearings. I’ve heard so much about the support needs and bins it’s almost legendary

They covered it fully, as did MN. 25 odd threads of the first tribunal 😂 worth a read. Many of us were observing.

I was wondering the same thing.

I don't think would help them at all. Eg if a religious organization managed somehow to cause GCC to discriminate against AB due to her sexuality (acting in good faith because it is their religious belief that homosexuality is sinful and they were confident that the law would take their side) this would not help them one little bit.

So even if Stonewall were acting in good faith on some belief about the law allowing discrimination against AB, they were wrong - and if they caused it to happen, their good faith matters not a jot.

Is the world ready for Bundles 2: The Bundling 😁

Which one? There are so many.

I think this is the first thread, but there are 19 altogether...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing

Hellair all.

I'd love to go and watch. I've seen from the SC website that this is theoretically possible. Would it likely be a very busy public gallery for this one, do we think?

Some SC cases are publicly live streamed, FWS was. I don’t know if that’s all of them.

Bundles 3: Bundle Harder

I believe they are. The way they do it is excellent. Much better than the clunky old thing they use for the employment tribunals.

This is what AI image generator was made for.

Me too

All of them are.

RMW. One man peaking machine.

RMW is junior! I thought he was about 60?

Great, will be an interesting watch.