Lords plot to derail Labour’s trans guidance on single-sex spaces

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Not sure if this has been posted in any of the threads but the usual suspects in the House of Lords are plotting to derail the EHRC guidance. It all sounds highly duplicitous.

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https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/house-of-lords-trans-guidance-ehrc-t90bkt0rc

The following are some excerpts from the article. The whole article has a lot more detail.

"A group of peers is at the centre of a House of Lords plot to derail guidance protecting women’s single-sex spaces, leaked documents have revealed.
The group, which includes a former head of Stonewall and one of its founder members, is seeking to scupper rules drawn up by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) by delaying the government’s process until a new chair of the regulator is appointed.

A source told The Times that Lord Collins of Highbury, the government’s equalities spokesman in the House of Lords, had been involved in “strategy development” with the group. Neither he nor the Office for Equality and Opportunity has denied the claim, repeatedly refusing to say whether he had met or been contacted by the group.
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The strategy outlined plans to present the group as “constructive partners” while pushing for additional due diligence on the guidance, which critics suggested was a move designed to delay implementation. It said they would push the government to “use the forthcoming appointment of a new chair and additional commissioners as an opportunity to restore balance and credibility to the EHRC’s leadership”.
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Peers were encouraged to table written and oral questions to ensure ministers confirm that the guidance has undergone proper consultation, legal review, and equality impact assessments, and to raise concerns about “balance and credibility” in upcoming EHRC appointments.

The group includes a number of peers including Hunt, the Stonewall co-founder Lord Cashman, the former Labour health minister Baroness Thornton, the former Scottish Labour leader Baroness Alexander, the Lib Dem peer Baroness Barker, Baroness Chakrabarti, Baroness Ramsey and Baroness Donaghy."

Full article at https://archive.is/1phUi

The strategy outlined plans to present the group as “constructive partners” while pushing for additional due diligence on the guidance, which critics suggested was a move designed to delay implementation.

It said they would push the government to “use the forthcoming appointment of a new chair and additional commissioners as an opportunity to restore balance and credibility to the EHRC’s leadership”.

The EHRC is also due to appoint at least three new commissioners in the coming months and the document suggested the group would attempt to lobby the watchdog’s new chair and commissioners to water down its guidance.

They just cant accept that Baroness Falkner was very effective in breaking up the TRA stranglehold had on the EHRC, and they made her pay for it (remember the complaints).

Sadly for Mary And Stephson she is going to come under immense lobbying and will be stopped from just getting on with her job.

And if she does stand up to them they will make her life hell.

How many months was Baroness Falkner suspended because of false allegations against her.

They have no shame.

And clearly think the legal system is irrelevant.

Undoubtedly, they can disrupt and slow things down but I’m pretty sure their views are not majority ones in the House of Lords. I doubt that this collective will sway the Lords en masse.

Not to mention that it won't change the law.

I recall the HoL had an amazing debate with a selection of powerful and informed speeches from peers that upheld the rights of women to signle sex spaces, sports etc and highlighted the dreadful outcomes for children caught up in all this.
So hopefully the toxic Cashman, Hunt, Brinton etc will meet some stern opposition from peers who aren't intimidated by the usual trans bullying.

There's a lot more public awareness now. And the public are unsurprisingly not all that keen. Darlington Nurses case is about to lay out the issues very very clearly, I suspect.

They don’t want balance at EHRC, they want control. Like they had when the previous head of Stonewall was the chair. The problem for them now is the EHRC have recognised women have rights too.

The Fee Speech Union have Lord Young in the house and the FSU consider all this genderwang to be compelled speech, so he'll no doubt have something to say in any debate about it.

I know the make-up of the HoL changes with new appointments etc. but it was the HoL that managed to get a change to the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowance Act 2021 so it uses the word mother rather than person. This was a real victory for the HoL.

Lord Winston was a key speaker.

This is my thought too. The Darlington Nurses case is going to show the public exactly why women need single sex spaces.

How are they getting round the SC ruling that single sex spaces are legal but mixed sex spaces which are mixed because transwomen are allowed in (and thus discriminate against non-trans men) are illegal?
Presumably hope new head will change the advice and that the government will change the law and make certificated sex what is meant in the EA2010. That will, I think, cause electoral problems for a government already on its knees.
But hey ho, trans is so embedded in the entire world's institutions its advocates probably think they can push it. So far the UK is streets ahead on the dire results of trans rubbish - the fight sadly, is not over.

I'd expect this from the previous head of Stonewall but how disappointing so many of them are women

Sadly, not much media coverage of either Darlington or Peggie cases. Most people have no idea what is going on. There's a thread on MN, in fact, where OP actually says they thought (think?) transwomen means women who are trans (i.e. biological women who think they are men) and transmen are men who are trans (i.e. men who think they are women). It's the logical meaning of those terms, which is I guess why they were chosen. So maybe there are lots of people who wonder why a poor transwoman has to be kept out of the women's loos because they ID as a man and wear men's clothes.

Cashman has been a thorn in the side of women’s rights for a long time. At least his interference is now being publicized. For too long, he was pushing his transactivist views behind closed doors in the corridors of power, under the false flag of “LGBT rights”.

The House of Lords ought to know better than anyone that the EHRC guidance is not the law. The Supreme Court judgment is the law.

Isn’t Sharron Davies a new Tory peer? She will be great at arguing for the implementation of the law ASAP.

The Sandie Peggie case got loads of coverage in Scotland. The Darlington tribunal case hasn't started yet, but I'd imagine it will be widely discussed once it does.

There is still a lot of confusion around the terminology, but the majority of the public don't agree with men in women's changing rooms, regardless of how they identify. And many of the articles about the SP case referred to Dr. Upton as biologically male, much to the TRA's outrage.

I know they can't change the law but my take is that, in the short term, they're throwing as much mud at it as they can and that, in the longer term, they're hoping the next election will lead to some kind of centre-left coalition/agreement with Starmer replaced as leader and with the Greens and Lib Dems in a position to bargain. And despite the current polls, I don't think that's implausible

Cashman has lain rather low since his foul comments about Rosie Duffield, but can still FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM.

On the whole, I think I'd still back the Lords over even the Commons to uphold reality, but clearly these misogynist feckers need watching.

This is my concern, a coalition of anti women parties.

I don't think Reform have as much chance as the media portrays over the longer term. Currently they are riding high due to migration but when the GE comes around that could be neutralised.

On a positive note trans is fading as a trend with teens so hopefully that continues.

It continually amazes me how people get so caught up in a cause that they lose sight of proportion and reality (generous interpretation) or do they just hate women so much they don’t care?

The tide has turned though - Cashman and Hunt will find themselves viewed as the fringe idiots they are.

From what I remember, before the SC ruling, there was a general acceptance that if FWS lost, their next step was to campaign to change the law.

However, the penny doesn't seem to have dropped for the other side.

Their reality is that women are a sort of compliant background feature.

So women not meekly falling in with what the real people (ie men) consider correct for society offends them in deep ways because it is a subconscious threat to their own status.

This is why they rage so very hard. Subconsciously for many men a woman politely saying no is the same as her publicly ridiculing him. It cannot be borne.

This is also why they have no qualms about undermining wmen in back room deals rather than open public debate. In their eyes we are not real people behaving fairly because in their eyes questioning them at all is proof we are beyond the pale. So we do not deserve the dignity of being treated as opponents, we are simply dirt to be removed.

Ah Cashman - who said the quiet bit out loud about fighting back against safeguarding children?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4954762-pushing-back-against-safeguarding

Interestingly his twitter post appears to have been deleted - but as usual women kept the receipts. Has he been allowed back into the labour party following his abuse of Rosie Duffield?

Even in those circumstances, I think that ship has sailed.

Assuming this happens, there will be other deals to do that don't involve the government tying themselves to incoherent unpopular legislation that is likely to lead to them to their own Isla Bryson moment.

The irony is that the SC decision is the inevitable conclusion of all Ruth Hunt and Michael Cashman's campaigning. The more they tried to push something that just didn't make sense, the more people pushed back.

I’m not sure who Joani Reid is, but she’s telling the activist Lords to back off. Nice to see some Labour MPs standing up for women.

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