Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Thread gallery
10
Grammarnut · 15/10/2025 14:26

Bannedontherun · 14/10/2025 10:33

Well as a commissioner and a professor he does not seem too familiar with Convention rights.

Or the SC judgement which examined the matter of the Convention in its judgement and still said biological sex was meant by the EA2010 - which I bet the commissioner has not read (and he is from the RoI, which is totally captured).

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/10/2025 14:57

It's very pleasing to see a number of Labour women MPs speaking out and showing that they're not scared of the trans bullies.

Merrymouse · 15/10/2025 15:10

HPFA · 15/10/2025 08:05

I've never understood this concept that thinks you can have "rights" for certain groups without defining who is entitled to those rights.

I have an Irish passport, as does my daughter. We don't identify as Irish or regard ourselves as Irish, we have the passports because we have the necessary paperwork, according to Irish law.

Surely according to O Flaherty's logic, anyone who says they "feel Irish" should be able to get a passport?

Yes - and using Flaherty's logic, surely it's a huge imposition to ask that women produce a MAT B1 certificate. Who is my employer to attempt to pin down what 'pregnant' means or to ask for details of something so personal?

I will also be applying for my Freedom Pass forthwith, now that Flaherty has established that my Article 8 rights are infringed if TfL seek to establish personal details like my age and address.

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2025 15:14

ItsCoolForCats · 15/10/2025 13:44

The Supreme Court judgement was never going to be the end of it. TRAs won't accept any compromise, and they see the European Court as the means to reassert their demands. It sounds as if someone like Doctor Upton will be the martyr to the cause that will bring a case.

So I think this is going to rumble through the courts for quite a few more years. But hopefully self ID is completely off the table now. It will be interesting to see whether countries who have gone down that route will reverse anyway of their policies.

This is the way this will go.

To the ECHR.

If that doesn't protect the rights of women and girls, it will lead to withdrawal, because no one likes those who bypass this.

The public don't like paedos and sex offenders. This is ultimately direction of travel; to safeguard from any hint of this.

If the ECHR are not prepared to do this reform will step in the void left behind.

Merrymouse · 15/10/2025 15:24

I would imagine that other EU countries are just as worried about Article 8 over reach as the UK.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/10/2025 15:25

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2025 15:14

This is the way this will go.

To the ECHR.

If that doesn't protect the rights of women and girls, it will lead to withdrawal, because no one likes those who bypass this.

The public don't like paedos and sex offenders. This is ultimately direction of travel; to safeguard from any hint of this.

If the ECHR are not prepared to do this reform will step in the void left behind.

Agreed. The sea change in public attitudes has been massive. People still display tolerance - especially when looking at the vulnerable young people groomed into all this by the powerful adults running all the organisations. But there's little public appetite for men in women's sport, men watching women and girls undressing, all the sex offenders murderers etc demanding to be called she etc. And as for the out of control demonstrators outside every venue where women meet - well they do our work for them.

It's amusing to see the seething transactivists spending so many sad hours on here - this isn't where the change is happening now. It's out there where people read, listen, watch the unhinged behaviour and talk. And judge these men for what they are.

Easytoconfuse · 15/10/2025 15:27

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/10/2025 15:25

Agreed. The sea change in public attitudes has been massive. People still display tolerance - especially when looking at the vulnerable young people groomed into all this by the powerful adults running all the organisations. But there's little public appetite for men in women's sport, men watching women and girls undressing, all the sex offenders murderers etc demanding to be called she etc. And as for the out of control demonstrators outside every venue where women meet - well they do our work for them.

It's amusing to see the seething transactivists spending so many sad hours on here - this isn't where the change is happening now. It's out there where people read, listen, watch the unhinged behaviour and talk. And judge these men for what they are.

This is where Naomi Cunningham is such an asset. She calmly and clearly makes it clear what's behind all the fluffy wuffy cuddly wuddly poor ickle transgender language. And Dr Upton and his ilk are helping her without ever realising that.

zanahoria · 15/10/2025 15:37

The equalities watchdog has taken the unusual step of publicly urging ministers to “act with speed” in implementing guidance on how institutions should respond to the landmark supreme court ruling on transgender people’s rights.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said it had written to Bridget Phillipson, the equalities minister, pointing out it had sent the guidance six weeks ago, warning that as things stood, there was no legally accurate advice available

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/15/equalities-watchdog-bridget-phillipson-transgender-guidance

Equalities watchdog urges UK ministers to ‘act with speed’ on trans guidance

EHRC writes to Bridget Phillipson over implementation of code on single-sex public spaces after supreme court ruling

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/15/equalities-watchdog-bridget-phillipson-transgender-guidance

brownglass · 15/10/2025 15:42

I am really hating that the fight to protect women's spaces and rights is being framed as bigotry, hatred and an attempt to harm males who choose to identify as women. Firstly as long as they are adults I don't care what they and their doctors choose to do surgery, hormones, name changes whatever, I don't care.

However none of that makes a man female and as such he should not be regarded as such under the law, he should not have access to women's spaces, sports, rights or representation. If males who choose to identify as women feel hurt or excluded by women's rights then tough.

It's an absolute travesty that women's fight for their rights, safety and dignity is seen as nothing more than an attack on trans people, how phallocentric and misogynistic can a society get?

Trans identified males are not female and never can be and so must not have access to women's spaces or rights otherwise the these legal protections for women is literally non-existent all to appease a few deluded males.

Bannedontherun · 15/10/2025 16:52

Micheal Foran has just sent an analysis of Flaherty’s letters, and took it apart in legal terms

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2025 19:06

O’Flattery (sic - as Foran calls him) says respect the penis.

Fuck off.

All you do is make the UK more likely to leave which doesn't remotely help vulnerable groups. And isn't equality.

fromorbit · 16/10/2025 08:20

Bannedontherun · 15/10/2025 16:52

Micheal Foran has just sent an analysis of Flaherty’s letters, and took it apart in legal terms

Foran who was involved in Supreme Court case is rigorous and tears the letters apart. Read:;

Is an ECHR showdown on women's rights and trans rights inevitable?
https://knowingius.org/p/is-an-echr-showdown-on-womens-rights

This is the one of the final plays by the TAs and we are going to wreck their defences again. Council of Europe’s "human rights commissioner", Dr Michael O’Flaherty is an end level boss. Every time we defeat them our case gets stronger. It also sets precedents for the rest of Europe. Women and gays are coming back. First in UK then all of Europe.

Go Athena!!!!

Is an ECHR showdown on women's rights and trans rights inevitable?

The Council of Europe’s human rights commissioner, Dr Michael O’Flaherty, has written to the Women and Equalities Select Committee and the Joint Committee on Human Rights to raise concerns about the implementation of the Supreme Court judgment in For W...

https://knowingius.org/p/is-an-echr-showdown-on-womens-rights

ArabellaSaurus · 16/10/2025 08:36

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/10/2025 15:25

Agreed. The sea change in public attitudes has been massive. People still display tolerance - especially when looking at the vulnerable young people groomed into all this by the powerful adults running all the organisations. But there's little public appetite for men in women's sport, men watching women and girls undressing, all the sex offenders murderers etc demanding to be called she etc. And as for the out of control demonstrators outside every venue where women meet - well they do our work for them.

It's amusing to see the seething transactivists spending so many sad hours on here - this isn't where the change is happening now. It's out there where people read, listen, watch the unhinged behaviour and talk. And judge these men for what they are.

Yes. The so called activists on here aren't trying to effect change. They are here for other reasons.

Merrymouse · 16/10/2025 08:54

ArabellaSaurus · 16/10/2025 08:36

Yes. The so called activists on here aren't trying to effect change. They are here for other reasons.

I think a lot of the time they just want somebody to talk to them.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/10/2025 09:31

I was thinking that, naming no names, but I think some have nothing else.

ILikeDungs · 16/10/2025 10:40

Merrymouse · 16/10/2025 08:54

I think a lot of the time they just want somebody to talk to them.

Well, they want somebody to scold more like.

fromorbit · 16/10/2025 11:15

We are winning! Janice Taylor on fire in Times.

Architect of gender ID lunacy can’t accept defeat

Michael O’Flaherty, whose work led to the erosion of women’s rights, is targeting Britain after the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex
No one bears more blame for gender ideology capturing public institutions and the global erasure of women’s rights than Michael O’Flaherty, the Council of Europe’s commissioner for human rights. It was he who convened in 2006 a private meeting of NGOs, lawyers and LGBT activists in Indonesia which drew up what became known as the Yogyakarta Principles.
Key among these was the idea that biological sex as a legal and political construct should be wholly replaced by gender identity. No one at Yogyakarta raised for a second the impact upon women or girls, and yet its precepts trickled down through the UN and human rights bodies into national governments and transnational institutions like the International Olympic Committee.
It is because of O’Flaherty that rapists could be housed in women’s prisons and female athletes made to compete against males. British feminists have been unpicking the ensuing mess for over a decade, culminating in April’s Supreme Court ruling that sex is biological reality. So O’Flaherty’s last remaining weapon is to accuse Britain this week of breaching the European Convention on Human Rights, which is still suffused in the misogyny of Yogyakarta.
https://archive.is/0jx4H

Janie143 · 16/10/2025 12:37

ItsCoolForCats · 15/10/2025 19:22

Fabulous letter.

viques · 16/10/2025 12:45

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2025 11:18

It doesn't seem to have occurred to Mr O'Flaherty that women are also humans with human rights, does it?

It's literally all about the men in dresses.

Maybe this is where us women are going wrong. Lots of us don’t wear dresses or skirts, we mostly wear jeans, trousers,leggings, shorts. Maybe we need to Reclaim The Dress and get taken seriously because wearing a dress seems to be the magic sign . A bit like the Reclaim the Night movement of yesteryear. Mind you Reclaim the Night didn’t really work either. 🙁

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2025 12:54

fromorbit · 16/10/2025 11:15

We are winning! Janice Taylor on fire in Times.

Architect of gender ID lunacy can’t accept defeat

Michael O’Flaherty, whose work led to the erosion of women’s rights, is targeting Britain after the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex
No one bears more blame for gender ideology capturing public institutions and the global erasure of women’s rights than Michael O’Flaherty, the Council of Europe’s commissioner for human rights. It was he who convened in 2006 a private meeting of NGOs, lawyers and LGBT activists in Indonesia which drew up what became known as the Yogyakarta Principles.
Key among these was the idea that biological sex as a legal and political construct should be wholly replaced by gender identity. No one at Yogyakarta raised for a second the impact upon women or girls, and yet its precepts trickled down through the UN and human rights bodies into national governments and transnational institutions like the International Olympic Committee.
It is because of O’Flaherty that rapists could be housed in women’s prisons and female athletes made to compete against males. British feminists have been unpicking the ensuing mess for over a decade, culminating in April’s Supreme Court ruling that sex is biological reality. So O’Flaherty’s last remaining weapon is to accuse Britain this week of breaching the European Convention on Human Rights, which is still suffused in the misogyny of Yogyakarta.
https://archive.is/0jx4H

Hmmm so this is his personal life work? And it might be about to be undone?

It's almost as if this is desperate and he finds it personal.

Keeptoiletssafe · 16/10/2025 13:15

At some point there will be a man in the public eye that goes to court for sexual assault of a woman or child in a public venue toilet which is designed to be private, resistant to sound, mixed sex, and opens from the outside - a vital safety mechanism but one which has been abused.

There’s a case coming up soon that hopefully will get people thinking. There are so many other problems too with enclosed design: hidden cameras, pathogen spread, fire safety, people being left for days who may have been rescued in time.

When I tried to discuss the recents deaths in private toilets with the Equality Advisory Support Service, they said if it hadn’t happened to me (!) or a family member they couldn’t help. And it would have to be proved that the difference in design would have made the difference.

It will take someone to have to take this to court that has been borne out of their own assault or death of a family member, to be taken on. Which is pretty horrific.

Meanwhile I have a database of cases, that prove my points.

It is safer for everyone not to be in a private toilet. That means single sex toilet designs because you need a single sex area in front of the toilet cubicle/room for the the cubicle doors and partitions to have a 150mm gap from the floor, then a gap above the 2000 door. This is the standard design that this country has been used to because it works.

Changing the designs of public toilets has consequences for everyone but mostly the medically vulnerable, women and children.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2025 13:25

ArabellaSaurus · 16/10/2025 08:36

Yes. The so called activists on here aren't trying to effect change. They are here for other reasons.

You're right. i try not to think too hard about their reasons as it's depressing to know there are such unpleasant people in the world 😥

Datun · 16/10/2025 15:18

*No one bears more blame for gender ideology capturing public institutions and the global erasure of women’s rights than Michael O’Flaherty...

... It was he who convened in 2006 a private meeting of NGOs, lawyers and LGBT activists in Indonesia which drew up what became known as the Yogyakarta Principles.*

I love that Janice Turner knows all this stuff