NHS Fife now says staff should use toilets based on biological sex

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The Scottish NHS board at the centre of a high-profile legal battle involving single-sex spaces has said its staff should now use facilities that correspond with their sex at birth, rather than their gender identity.

NHS Fife has released an equality impact assessment after the UK’s equality watchdog told it to “progress corrective actions” on single-sex spaces without delay.

The health board stated its interim position will be to “provide a mix of suitable facilities” that follow the law.

The review says: “Where toilets and changing facilities are not in individual separate lockable rooms, separate toilets and changing facilities will be provided for men and women alongside additional gender-neutral facilities.”

It adds: “Where a facility is provided separately for men and women it should be used by people whose sex at birth corresponds with the facility.”

But the assessment also says that “no-one should be put in a position that they do not have access to suitable facilities that respect and protect their dignity and privacy”.

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IS NHS Fife one of the 19 organisations the EHRC wrote to?

Now a formal publuc apology to it’s female staff is in order.

They can take the money that they would have spent on lawyers to defend their doomed policy of pampering the trans people, and use it to give the trans people something else to stop them causing trouble. (And we'll see if that solves the problem.)

Just think how much work they could have done to legally accommodate trans people without impacting women if they’d obeyed the law in the first place and not wasted so much on legal fees.
And of course, they’ve got the balance wrong in that statement - the default should be separate sex facilities and then add some single lockable ones.

Unfortunately they’ll probably end up with legal cases due to some trans people breaking the law even when there is special provision made for them. Which will probably still cost the nhs (in staff time wasted as well as money) even when they’re on the right side of the law.

🤣they'll all have to get their chromosomes checked before they can take their next pee a work. 🤣

I started to write an extended polemic on the difference between needs and wants and how these could be balanced in a modern, tolerant and forward looking society and then I thought:

Nah, bollocks! You just want everything that you have plus everything that you think that I have and then tell me that it's a fair deal.

Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode into town on.

I am a woman and you ain't.

“no-one should be put in a position that they do not have access to suitable facilities that respect and protect their dignity and privacy“
unless you’re a woman of course. They’ve got a nerve.

In the police - one recent bit of advice was to establish more gender neutral toilets alongside existing sex separated toilets, but with the recommendation that everyone be encouraged to use them as well so that trans ppl weren't outed every time they were to use the GN ones.

I think that's almost the pinnacle of 'good idea but can women still do something to be kind'....

Sad times.

Seriously? So now they’ve been thwarted in their plan to infiltrate women’s spaces with that pesky thing called the law, they (and their allies) are falling back on emotional blackmail and the “be kind” trope. Quelle surprise.

The Trusts need to have clear no bullshit no hand waving no Oooo be kind policy no using the word "should".

The Board of the Trust have a leagal obligation to follow the law and to protect the assets of the organisation by not engaging in actions which will lead to preventable litigation.

Just as the employee is sackable for stealing or any other gross misconduct the onus is on the Board to approve the clear and easy to understand policy.

In this case they can even write the process of investigation who, when, where, why, witness, proven to be true etc

Starting point is clear policy

Males can and may only use male open changing rooms and male block toilet or any other MSSS.

Females can and may only use female open changing rooms female block toilets or any other WSSS

[(Edit) Or obviously a single unit. ]

And any instance it staff objecting must be reported to HR (either directly or by the manager it is reported to) and the investigation may only be managed by HR.

And put it in as a one liner in the Board meeting pack if need be.

Any person proven to be using the provision for the other sex is engaged in Gross Misconduct the person will be given one final warning. The second time it happens the person will be sacked for cause.

The employee can try take them to court but if its a HR led process done professionally (they may need new hires) and follow the policy and is be preparing on the basis its going to the ET the Trust should have a watertight case. So the Judge cant rule on breach of process nor a breach of law.

This ^ also allows staff to as another employee to directly say "stay out" before it has to becomes a matter for investigation so the individual has a choice and a second chance.

Draconian?

Authoritarian?

Yes

So what !

Adults need to be able to follow the law and work rules before being let loose on the general public.

That Reddit thread really spells out the belief that woman must be fighting court case after court case purely to target trans people.

It’s another example of not seeing women as people in their own right, but as only existing in relation to men.

The concept that women are doing this because their lives have been impacted to unbearable levels doesn’t even enter their heads.