massive news : the Scottish Government has finally updated its toilet advice

[ProfesoraLou]

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/

Single sex toilet provision is required. Use must be based on biological sex.

Page 3:

'A transgender young person may not have told their family about their gender identity. Inadvertent disclosure could cause needless stress for the young person or could put them at risk and breach legal requirements. Therefore, it is best to not share information with parents or carers without considering and respecting the young person’s views and rights'

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/3/

Page 4:

'Attempted suicide

• 4% - Trans youth with supportive parents
• 57% - Trans youth with unsupportive parents

Based on a 2012 study of 433 individuals. Travers R, Bauer G, Pyne J, Bradley K, for the Trans PULSE Project: Gale L, Papadimitriou M (2012).'

Good fucking god. That is the most careless and irresponsible thing I've read in a while, and it is put out by the fucking GOVERNMENT?!

I wonder what Lewis Appleby would say about this.

'Good practice

• If the young person has not told their family, school staff may want to discuss the most likely reaction with the young person. This will allow the teacher and the young person to discuss whether sharing information is in the young person’s best interests, and if so, what information to share and with whom.
• Offer to arrange a meeting with parents or carers; agree this with the young person in advance of the meeting and mutually agree key information to be shared in the discussion and by whom.
• Listen to the concerns of parents and carers without judging them; respond to concerns calmly; and correct any misconceptions.
• The Getting it right for every child approach will keep the young person and parents at the centre of any consideration of wellbeing; and, the identification and agreement of responses and support. Parents and carers may need time to come to terms with what their child has told them. Teachers can help by letting them know about sources of information and support (see below).

If a teacher is concerned about the home environment or the safety of a young person, they should follow the school's child protection policy and procedures for recording and/or acting on such concerns.'

And those 'sources of information and support? '

• Transparentsees: groups for parents, carers and other family members of trans people: Home | TransparenTsees
• Mermaids: a UK-wide organisation which works to reduce isolation and loneliness for parents and young people dealing with gender issues and to empower families and young people: www.mermaidsuk.org.uk, support line : 0808 801 0400

FUCKING HELL>

'...in society, boys are generally expected to be unemotional, strong, attracted to girls, sporty and to conform to ideals of masculine physical attractiveness. Girls are generally expected to be nurturing, emotional, helpful, attracted to boys, and to conform to ideals of feminine physical attractiveness.'

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/7/

WHO WROTE THIS PISH

'A trans boy is likely to be distressed about being seen as female. They are likely to assert a male gender identity consistently and persistently. The prospect of going through female puberty, especially breast-growth and menstruation, is often traumatic.
This is different from a girl who some people might describe as a 'tomboy' because she enjoys rough, noisy activities or the clothes or toys traditionally associated with boys.'

Honest to Christ.

'Article 16 ensures a child's right to privacy. If a young person comes out as transgender there is no immediate need to inform their parents or others. '

Based on a 2012 study of 433 individuals. Travers R, Bauer G, Pyne J, Bradley K, for the Trans PULSE Project: Gale L, Papadimitriou M (2012)

A survey of 433 Trans identifying people done 13 years ago in Ontario, Canada. None were under 16 and only 83 were between 16 and 24

'The Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991
This Act states that a child of 12 and over is presumed to have sufficient capacity to instruct a solicitor, to sue on their own behalf and consent to their own medical treatment, and to enter into transactions usual for a child of that age.'

Oh, some more 'resources'.

'LGBT Youth Scotland
Scotland’s national charity for LGBTI young people, works with 13–25 year olds across the country. Their website includes resources, services and support for transgender young people (including online support). They support schools through the LGBT Schools Charter programme and provide training on supporting and including transgender young people. www.lgbtyouth.org.uk

Scottish Trans Alliance
Assists transgender people, service providers, employers and equality organisations to engage together to improve gender identity and gender reassignment equality, rights and inclusion in Scotland. Their website includes a wide range of information including links to support groups for parents. www.scottishtrans.org

Stonewall Scotland
Deliver training, produce resources and develop membership programmes to empower teachers and education professionals to tackle homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in
schools and colleges. www.stonewallscotland.org.uk

Time for Inclusive Education (TIE)
A Scottish charity that aims to combat homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in schools with LGBT-inclusive education. They provide a range of services, from teacher training to year group assemblies and various workshops. They also offer resources on cross curricular inclusion with a focus on LGBT History (Moments), LGBT role models (Icons) and a resource on LGBT groups in schools. www.tie.scot

Mermaids
UK wide charity that supports children, young people, and their families and works to raise awareness about gender nonconformity in children and young people. www.mermaidsuk.org.uk'

Correction, 123 were considered trans youth.

https://transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

... and if you don't, children, your body is wrong.

They're spelling out what we all knew this was based on and they kept feebly denying.

'Scenario 3

What do I do if…?

A teacher deliberately uses the wrong pronoun and name for a transgender young person despite being briefed by the school. This is making the young person visibly upset and angry.

Points to Consider

This scenario is different from getting someone's name or pronoun wrong by accident and is clearly inappropriate behaviour from a staff member. If someone gets a name or pronoun wrong by accident they should simply apologise and try not to do this again.

In this scenario you should report this to the head teacher. The head teacher in line with complaints procedures, should then investigate what has happened, and the young person has the right to know the outcome of the investigation
If others witnessed the behaviour, ask them to report it too

If you, or the young person, are not happy with the outcome of the investigation, either of you can contact your local authority education team or ask them to investigate too

If a head teacher behaves inappropriately towards a transgender young person, you can report the incident to the deputy head or to the local authority education team.'

'Footnotes

1 We use 'young people' throughout this guidance to mean children'

' It is recommended that young people consult their doctor before using a binder and also if they experience pain at any time due to binding. A binder may be a vest, or athletic support top, or be wrapped bandages. It is used as a way to reduce the size of a person's chest, so they can present as more masculine or gender neutral.'

More suicide discussion here:

'The same study[14] found that:

• 63% of transgender young people experienced suicidal thoughts or behaviours
• 59% of transgender young people had self-harmed, and that
• 83% of transgender young people who had experienced mental health problems, had been bullied at school.'

The study referenced:

Dr.Lough Dennell, B.L, Anderson, G. and McDonnell, D. (2018) Life in Scotland LGBT Young People. LGBT Youth Scotland.

As far as I can tell from the pdf produced, this references:

'Young people who responded to the survey were aged 13 to 25, with an average age of 19'

LGBTYS will be a familiar name to women on these boards.

One silver lining - the NonBinary Working Group referenced several times is, in fact, no longer active. 😂

(they gave up trying to make any sense of Nonbinary in 2022, fwiw)

https://www.gov.scot/groups/non-binary-working-group/

Cannot find the study anywhere. There's reports of it from LGBTYS, but this author doesn't list it in her publications:

https://pureportal.strath.ac.uk/en/persons/brandi-lee-lough-dennell/publications/

These screenshots are honestly batshit.

All that stuff about the right and respectful way to address a transgender young person. I normally go for a deep bow and addressing them as ‘Your Imperial Majesty’

oh no, hang on, that’s the right and respectful way to address the emperor of Japan. Easily confused

Massive news.Hardly. why are folk so focussed on this trivial stuff.

ask what name and pronouns you should use to address them. Check if it’s all the time or in certain circumstances

say thank you. The fact they have trusted you enough to speak to you is a privilege

I mean what the actual fuck? Does guidance about dealing with children questioning their sexuality come with this degree of wide eyed worship for the child in question??

Ah yes womens and girls rights, free speech and not having the state trying to take your kids from you for safeguarding them from irreversible medical and psychological harm. Such trivial things

Bloody hell. I lost for words.

So, girls who are transgender use binding to make their ‘ chest’ appear bigger. That’s odd, because most of the men I know have bigger chests than mine.

I was meaning who used what toilets as in the thread heading. Not the issue of surgery and drugs taken to stop puberty. These are very serious concerns.

I cannot believe the amount of time and money wasted on this bollocks. Laws, tribunals, protests, crowdfunders, parliamentary discussions, party conferences, training sessions, DEI jobs, guidance procedures, blah blah blah. (Yes, I'm aware of the irony in my typing about this bollocks, and wasting my time too!) Males in the men's, females in the women's. Job done. As you were. Ditch the crap and let's have some common sense from everyone.