Well, hello Emma Watson

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www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

Wasn't the interview over two hours long? I wonder what else she talked about.

Actually, no I don't. I couldn't care less.

I bet she's going to have an autobiography coming out.

If she wants to stay in acting she should try meaty supporting roles that don't rely on her looks. They'll be more interesting and challenging to play and might lead to a career with some longevity. She can afford to work minimum wage.

If she wants to stay in acting she should try meaty supporting roles that don't rely on her looks.

She should do the exact opposite if she wants to stay in acting, her looks are the only reason she got the career she had.

But maybe she would want to hone her craft and prove herself? Nothing wrong with that

she might have it in her to have the humility and application to do it and good on her if she does

I really don't think she has the talent.

She's in that perfume ad, that must be earning her something. I didn't realise she hadn't done a film in 6 years

"Why should I be framed, and put in boxes?"

I watched that thinking it was a shame that the director had made her seem a bit naff ...

That advert was directed by Watson

It's a really unforgiving business for young actresses who get work on their looks and then get older. It helps to have one or two extra strings to your bow.

John Landis tells a great story about making Trading Places. It looks like an all-star cast in retrospect, but the studio didn't want any of the three lead actors. Eddie Murphy had, I think, filmed Beverly Hills Cop but it hadn't been released, and he was just known as a raunchy standup comic who'd never carried a movie. Dan Aykroyd had been John Belushi's sidekick but Belushi was dead and everything Aykroyd had been in without him had flopped. Jamie Lee Curtis was the daughter of Hollywood royalty but she was a horror movie scream queen who had never done comedy.

The studio looked at those three and said, we're taking an awfully big risk asking them to carry a major movie. Landis looked at them and saw three hungry actors with something to prove.

The beauty/ageism standard doesn't apply to men in the same way, but I'll say this for Dan and Rupert - neither shows any sign of becoming John Gielgud, but they've been beavering away getting good reviews in smallish projects. They obviously love acting. If I were a casting director I'd be happy to consider them.

I don't really see that with Emma. Maybe I'm being harsh, but she seems to have drifted along being handed things on the basis of being famous and beautiful, and she's approaching a point where that isn't happening any more. But she doesn't strike me as having any hunger. There's something very dilettantish about her. I can't really visualise her calling her agent and saying, get me something challenging.

I had no idea she directed that . I googled and noticed it was touted as her directorial debut. Obviously the other directorial work will be starting any minute now.

Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Drew Barrymore, in reference to her interview with Mulvaney (comparing it to Watson’s interview with Paris whatsisface). I hadn’t seen it before, but there is definitely a seeming lack of desire to be challenged or stretched in both of them wrt the roles they have chosen post childhood. Wonder if Watson will become a talk show host.

Drew Barrymore has one thing going for her that's useful for a talk show host. She has the ability to do small talk and be interested in the person opposite her. I don't thank that's one of Watson's great strengths.

That's maybe what I'm remembering then, thank you.

The truth.

Also collecting driving offences…in her spare time

Sadly though there are many young trans people who do have mental health problems and really should have had counselling before being encouraged to go along the narrower gender identity route. Hence the stigma and awkward silence on detransitioning - a massive mistake when it goes wrong.

It's estimated only about 4% of detransitioners do so for reasons of mistaking their identity. The overwhelming majority do so because they can't handle living with the discrimination or they can't afford the costs involved that are necessary for them to 'pass' & avoid discrimination.

Just because trans people experience mental health problems at a higher rate that the average population doesn't mean their identification as trans was caused by it. Gender dysphoria, discrimination, societal & familial rejection are all risk facts for depression, anxiety etc.

In any case, Im not suggesting a holistic medical approach shouldn't be taken rather there's no need to use dehumanising language to speak on these issues.

Do you know who have no choice but to live with discrimination? Women, that's who. We don't get to tell the patriarchy that we'd like to opt out.

Tbf Drew Barrymore did stretch herself in the 2009 TV movie of Grey Gardens, she was very good there. That seems to be it though.

Can you blame her? I think she could have done much more but after a childhood where she was horribly neglected, smoking and drinking while less than 10, and by many disturbing rumours, sexually abused by various male actors when she was 13(whose names may be revealed one day as Kirk Douglas' was), could you blame her for coasting & doing light-hearted things?

Someone like EW is very different. The worst she got was reviewers talking about her teenage breast developement, horrible but not anywhere near what Drew dealt with.

It's estimated only about 4% of detransitioners do so for reasons of mistaking their identity. The overwhelming majority do so because they can't handle living with the discrimination or they can't afford the costs involved that are necessary for them to 'pass' & avoid discrimination.

Estimated by whom and on what evidence? What discrimination?

Most of what we have seen is trans identified individuals being protected, celebrated and lauded at the expense of women, while claiming the opposite.

Seems like she is leading a pretty empty life, a perpetual student but not really a student, cushioned as she is by her millions.
I remember reading an interview with her when she must have been about 14/15 and she talked about how she loved dropping into school when she had the chance, or going back after filming had ended and catching up with everything. At the time I thought "Ah that's nice and normal". Now I wonder if it went with a grand entrance, "Hello everybody, it's MEEEEE, yes it's Meee, I'm back, Meee is here, back to bring you crumbs of heavenly Meee and tell you all about my wonderful life". I wonder how her peers took it.

JKR had at least one old school friend at her 60th birthday party. I wonder how many school friends Emma is still in touch with.
At 35 JKR had a young child, was a published author though not yet super rich, and had various other achievements and life experiences, she had probably met, though not yet married her husband Neil.

Emma has acted in a few films, none since 2018. She doesn't appear to have had any major longstanding relationships and once described herself as being "self-partnered". Sounds so much more trendy than being a lonely spinster.
Possibly she does more philanthropic/charity work than we know about, maybe she keeps it secret. I feel pretty sure JKR also does far more than we know about, quietly supporting a range of individuals and charities via anonymous donations as well as the substantial charitable and philanthropic work that we do know about. Such a shame Emma couldn't look at her as a mentor and someone whom she could learn so much from.

I will lay a sizeable bet that in about 5 years Emma will seal her credentials as a woman who tramples on the rights of other women by having a baby through surrogacy.

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Much as I dislike EW, I am uncomfortable with criticising women for what we perceive them to have "achieved", or not achieved. I'm perfectly comfortable with criticising her for her opinions or actions, but don't think it's right to pick her life apart as though there are points to be scored.

I haven't "achieved" as much as many people, does that make my opinions or beliefs less valid than theirs?!

Depends on what your opinions are and what they mean for people who aren't you.

I disagree. The post above mine was pulling EW's life apart, criticising her for her career trajectory, some pure imagination about how she was at school, whether she has friends from her past, etc etc. All totally unecessary when critiqueing her views imo.

For instance:

At 35 JKR had a young child

Does that mean that women who don't have children at that age should be judged?

I assumed that was suggesting J K Rowling has had experience of pregnancy and motherhood, which are things which rather hammer home the difficulties of some aspects of being female, and the differences between men and women.