50-60 DSD athletes in world finals.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/sep/19/sex-tests-brought-in-after-data-showed-50-60-dsd-athletes-in-finals-world-athletics-says

I’m totally gobsmacked at the scale of this. So many women denied places and medals. Shameful. Utterly shameful.

I just saw this and come to see if there was a thread. Surprised the Guardian is running the story.

It makes a mockery of women’s sports. There really just should be a swab test and females can compete. (Edit: I see they’ve done that for this Tokyo competition which is great. Hopefully it continues)

I’m actually feeling really upset about this. The sporting bodies have KNOWN this. Yet they allowed it to happen.

women and girls need our own sporting bodies. Men don’t give a shit about female sport.

The Guardian running an article about males in women's sports with a picture of Caster Semenya!

In other news, water is wet.

Over represented? SHOCKED I TELLS YOU.

Archive version. https://archive.ph/oeyMl

I’m just shocked at the sheer scale of it. I thought it was just a couple. Multiply it over all the other sports and pre 2000 and it’s outrageous.

Sean Ingle is very good on the need for women's sport to be female only. He made that very clear in his coverage of women's boxing at the Olympics.

Thanks i want going to click it until you said it was Sean Ingle

I posted about this earlier - times version of the same story: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5413499-athletes-with-male-biological-advantages-over-represented-in-female-finals

Those medals need to be given to the rightful winners and all records corrected, particularly where records have been broken.

See, it’s over a period of time. 25 years. When you bear in mind it was all three medalists in one race, it doesn’t surprise me. It’s only two or three a year. Obviously that’s two or three too many. But it doesn’t at all surprise me- it kind of stacks up?

Last week I asked ChatGPT whether Mboma was reluctant to take a cheek swab test and it flatly denied that there was sex testing in athletics.
However when I corrected the statement, it thanked me for the information!

25 years sounds like a long time but there's not a world championship every year and by the early 2000s things were starting to tighten up a bit. some back of the napkin maths I did earlier/a bottle of wine ago suggested to me that, very crudely, on average there might have been one man per 3 or so women's starting lineups in WC finals. which is extraordinary really.

Yeah, you’re right! I’m not a sport person, you can tell!

This is about historic cases from 2000-2023. There IS a cheek swab check - it's not on a per-event basis but is a one-off requirement for any athlete before they can get their WA elite registration. There have been no adverse test results in the lead up to Tokyo, as all athletes who might have otherwise failed have retired.

Christine Mboma was banned from competition 3 years ago due to failing testosterone tests and has retired.

You clearly haven't been following the Guardian's coverage of the issues if you are surprised by this.

There was chromosome testing until about 1990 (?) when for some reason it was stopped, although as I recall most of the women athletes wanted it to continue.

It seems that suspicions that people with certain advantageous DSDs were being scouted specifically may well be correct.

Until the late 1990s

Between 1968 and 1982 the IOC required contestants in women's events at the Olympics to have undergone a buccal swab to test for the presence of a Barr body which indicated that they were XX and therefore were eligible to compete.

From 1992 to 2000(?) women contestants were tested for the presence of a particular gene only found on the Y chromosome and which - if positive - would make them ineligible from competing in women's events.

After the Sydney Olympics such testing was dropped and women's events were opened to men, to a greater or lesser extent.

Up to the Rio Olympics men who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery could compete in women's events, and after Rio self-identifying men without surgery could compete - subject to a maximum testosterone level significantly higher than women would normally produce.

Since then governing bodies like World Athletics and World Aquatics have seen sense where the IOC has failed miserably.

HISTORY OF SEX TESTING IN THE OLYMPICS AND THE GROUP WHO SUCCESSFULLY CAMPAIGNED TO HAVE SEX TESTING DROPPED

www.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

Louis J. Elsas ,MD' , Arne Ljungqvist, MD', Malcolm A. Ferguson-Smith, MA,FRCP, JoeLeigh Simpson, MD', Myron Genel, MD5, Alison S. Carlson ,BA, Elizabeth Ferris, MBBS', Albert de la Chapelle, MD, Anke A. Ehrhardt, phD

"On-site gender verification has since been found to be highly discriminatory, and the cause of emotional trauma and social stigmatization for many females with problems of intersex who have been screened out from competition. Despite compelling evidence for the lack of scientific merit for chromosome-based screening for gender, as well as its functional and ethical inconsistencies, the IOC persisted in its policy for 30 years."

"The coauthors of this manuscript have worked with some success to rescind this policy through educating athletes and sports governors regarding the psychological and physical nature of sexual differentiation, and the inequities of genetic sex testing."

http://www.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_mediu

And it will repeat the misinformation to the next user.

You’ve missed my point.
I was commenting that AI stated there was no sex testing in athletics.

Emotional fucking trauma, my arse!