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What to call the wokerati

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BottomsByTheirTops · 17/09/2025 17:06

I realise this isn’t directly a FWR question, but I’m keen to hear opinions from reasonable people.
What is a sensible term to use to describe people we might term woke and that Americans call Liberal progressives?
People who believe in gender ideology, critical race theory, term anyone who disagrees with them fascists, term mainstream (imo) conservative opinions far right and who in the USA are currently trampling on Charlie Kirk memorials both physically and metaphorically.
It’s driving me crackers hearing these people described as liberal - when they’re authoritarian, progressives - when they promote regressive policies, kind - when they seem incapable of common decency.
Woke for me fits the bill - but it’s a difficult term that can be deflected.
Any ideas?

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Screamingabdabz · 16/10/2025 21:58

Not all wokeness is bad imo. And you just sound like an old fart if you say woke (it’s become a parody now) so I call it ‘playing gender-wang’.

Timeforabitofpeace · 16/10/2025 22:07

I’ve found that the so called anti woke are arseholes.

BedlingtonFloof · 16/10/2025 22:10

Timeforabitofpeace · 16/10/2025 22:07

I’ve found that the so called anti woke are arseholes.

So are the “woke” though, although I hate the term. I actually agree with them on more stuff than I don’t, but I can’t stand the way they act like bullies if you dare to disagree with them on a single point.

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/10/2025 22:55

Every time I hear the word progressive I am reminded of The Real IRA. Not because they're terroristsSmile but because The Real IRA chose a name that made a claim, and every time they were spoken of (e.g. on the news) as The Real IRA the automatic thought that went through my head was 'but they're not, are they? If they were they wouldn't have to keep saying so'.

These days I see the Corbyn/Sultana party in the same light, calling it the Your Party as a supposed interim name but in reality it's quite clever, insinuating subconsciously that Your Party is the party for you, in the same way The Real IRA inferred that they were genuine and The IRA had somehow fallen by the wayside. Likewise naming your party Reform, because every political party uses the word reform.

I think progressive is, like The Real IRA, a total misnomer. Those who claim to be so, very rarely are; and as such I am most reluctant to use that word for people who are the total opposite.

So I'd go with Authoritarian Regressive.

Timeforabitofpeace · 17/10/2025 09:36

@BedlingtonFloof They cover a wide range of positions, and on the whole are opposed to bullying!

BedlingtonFloof · 17/10/2025 09:57

Timeforabitofpeace · 17/10/2025 09:36

@BedlingtonFloof They cover a wide range of positions, and on the whole are opposed to bullying!

No, they're absolutely fine with bullying if you don't agree with them, even on a single point. They behave like the fascists they accuse other people of being.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 19/10/2025 15:34

If all else fails, there's always this

From a meme I saw on FB - it says D.I.L.D.O.S.
(Desperate Intolerant Liberals Destroying Our Society.)
American obviously but it seems to cover it.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/10/2025 09:55

Poppingby · 16/10/2025 09:18

No idea why this is in the feminism section. I'm not on board with gender ideology but am a feminist. I think critical race theory is grounded in well researched academic principles and people who bung it under an umbrella of 'woke' as an insult are either thick or haven't bothered to look any of it up. I also think Charlie Kirk was a misogynist right wing nut and in any case a mouthpiece for American Christian Conservatism - nothing to do with British conservatism which is not really all that Christian at its root. Not sure how any feminist could have any respect for him alive or dead (though people being murdered is wrong whether they are shot by a lunatic, killed in a school shooting, or put to death by the state).

So perhaps don't try to have a catch-all term when only people who are trying to brainwash you try to create a word for "the kind of people who scare you"?

misogynist right wing nut
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American Christian Conservatism
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So perhaps don't try to have a catch-all term when only people who are trying to brainwash you try to create a word for "the kind of people who scare you"?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/10/2025 10:02

I should perhaps explain my previous post. Any term can be used to dismiss the opinions of someone you see as belonging to a group you disapprove of. I was not trying to suggest that American Christian Conservatism is the equivalent of "woke", but that it was used to dismiss someone and his opinions. It is easy to dismiss ideas without really understanding them, and that is the big problem with cultural divisions in our societies.

Xiaoxiong · 20/10/2025 14:59

I use the term Blue MAGA (for the ones in the USA).

I do think that gets across how they are just as willing as Red MAGA to refuse to think critically, refuse to believe the evidence of their eyes, and wholeheartedly endorse cult-like beliefs that I think they secretly don't actually believe, but feel like they need to say they do because that's the political tribe they identify with.

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