What to call the wokerati

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I realise this isn’t directly a FWR question, but I’m keen to hear opinions from reasonable people.
What is a sensible term to use to describe people we might term woke and that Americans call Liberal progressives?
People who believe in gender ideology, critical race theory, term anyone who disagrees with them fascists, term mainstream (imo) conservative opinions far right and who in the USA are currently trampling on Charlie Kirk memorials both physically and metaphorically.
It’s driving me crackers hearing these people described as liberal - when they’re authoritarian, progressives - when they promote regressive policies, kind - when they seem incapable of common decency.
Woke for me fits the bill - but it’s a difficult term that can be deflected.
Any ideas?

Ultra-liberal?

Tricky! I try not to use any shorthand for it that involves 'the left' because I don't consider many people now called 'woke' to be particularly politically left-leaning. Seeing as this is on this forum, what is 'woke' about gender ideology?! A money earner for big pharma and private medicine; an easy way for global corporations to earn their 'diversity' points ( we're still employing white males; but they're trans white males -yay! Also, once, we planted a tree. To make up for the fact that we use more electricity than an entire sub-Saharan town. So we're, like, super green); massively individualistic etc
So ....Illiberal? Authoritarian? Unfeasibly individualistic and lacking in any concept nuance (!)?

I quite like ‘New Puritans’ as described by Andrew Doyle.

I do agree, OP, that using liberal progressives makes zero sense.

People who believe in gender ideology, critical race theory.

This is an interesting choice of examples. You should be able to subscribe to one or the other and argue the cause based merits, but because they're both part of the omni-cause rejecting one rejects the other and and all other left causes and makes you a persona non grata on the left.

And this is not (just) the function of purity policing - it's tooled into the ideology of leftwing causes themselves by the application of 'intersectionalism'; so, in practice it's virtually impossible to be for critical race theory and not be for gender ideology since they're both justified by 'personal truth', 'words are violence', equity-not-equality, and the manipulative use of 'inclusion' and 'diversity'.

What is a sensible term to use to describe people we might term woke

Insufferable?

People who aren’t Bannon acolytes?

@JamieCannister there's so much of your post I agree with. To me 'progressive' is "Let's do something practical and sensible to make the world a better place", "Woke" is "Who cares if it makes a difference as long as I can look good in a keffiyeh while I virtue signal my luxury beliefs".

It depends how “woke” they are. At the far end I would say they are anti-establishment, supporting any disruptive cause. At the nearer end I suppose they’ve swallowed the BeKind pill and tie themselves in knots to justify being liberal to all. In the middle they are just Intolerant Hectoring Twats.

The illiberal progressives is probably a better fit.

Yes. One problem is that there are many people on the left, including what would traditionally be the far left, who aren't at all sold on the Trans rights thing. And many people on the right who are.
Also, there probably are people who perfectly meet the "progressive" stereotype - obsessed with critical race theory, fanatically pro trans rights, communist in tube socks. But actually I think they are much less common than stereotype would have you believe. Most people (left and right) are a mix of political beliefs. Even someone who talks about "critical race theory" probably has a better justification for it and a more nuanced understanding than say Fox news would have you believe.
There are lots of very contentious causes that cross political boundaries. I don't think the "left wing omni-cause" is helpful. Anymore than "everyone who voted for Brexit a racist".

So even though I probably agree with you on GC issues I probably would zone out a bit of you started talking about wokerati. Maybe that's unfair and judgemental on my part. But it's just not something that fits with my daily experience.

I'd rather get into arguments than labels, but for a shorthand I find that 'wokelords' works fine.

It also helps me remember a late friend who was the first person I knew to see through Stonewall. She used to call them 'the Gaylords'.

Pseudo-progressives?

How about we don't bother? As a far left leaning supporter of womens rights, who believes TW are men, doesn't call other people fascist or bigot, thought CK spouted a load of regressive/racist nonsense and that his murder was a heinous crime, I just know that whatever you come up with could be used to describe me. So I'll be both a fascist bigot and the new opposite insult all at the same time. Which will mess with my sense of 'identity'.

Absolutely this. There’s nothing leftwing about identity politics, the most solipsistic movement I‘ve ever encountered.

Your earlier comment also hits the nail on the head: It’s driving me crackers hearing these people described as liberal - when they’re authoritarian, progressives - when they promote regressive policies, kind - when they seem incapable of common decency.

Angry Identity Obsessives

motte: "black lives matter"
bailey: "Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

I know you're looking for something sensible, but my 19 year on son just calls them The Pronoun People and gets his point across.

I call them "identarians".

"Tools" works well on several levels I think.

I don't go round looking to put all right wingers in one bucket, call them names, and say if you disagree with me you're a fascist. So maybe I'm woke.

Woke is everything that Melanie Phillips disagrees with. I have found this yardstick very reliable.

Black Lives Matter is a political movement, not a description of what anyone thinks about black people. People don't support it for a variety of reasons, including the stated beliefs of the founders that include things like dismantling the family, the actual actions of the founders that include using funds raised for buying fancy houses, because they don't support the kind of race essentialism that features within the movement, because they don't think their analysis of police violence in America is particularly honest or accurate, or because they think the policies they want make black communities worse.

Reducing that to "you don't think black lives matter" is why the word "woke" is now so often being used ironically.

I am not sure "progressive" is wrong.

A big part of the problem with this ideology is that it thinks there is some objective kind of progress, that we are moving, if we pick the right side of history, to some kind of utopian vision. History is an arrow, not just in time, but in terms of social arrangements and morality.

It is left wing too, in that it comes out of a Hegalian/marxist view of history, which is leading to some higher form of community or enlightenment.

They typically do not accept the idea that differernt kinds of social arrangements and policies involve various negotiations of interests and trade offs.

People who have this kind of view of political progress tend to treat their political opinions as things which are opposed only by the morally corrupt, and don't listen to what others who disagree say. These are the people who say things like "Never kissed a Tory".

I think progressivism is integral to the "woke" perspective.

Anyone who uses the term 'woke' to describe something outside of the context of a joke is an absolute walloper, in my experience.