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Struggling with my political allegiance now and it's really bothering me

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Appalonia · 04/09/2025 22:46

Since the eighties, I have been a leftie, raised money for the Miners ' strike, was in the SWP for a while in the 90s, lifelong Guardian reader, worked for charities for most of my career. However, I'm so disillusioned with what the left has become now. It started as for many of us with the trans issue, seeing formally trusted and respected institutions like the BBC, the Guardian, C4 etc either ignore, or blatantly skew the issues, the only place I could read the truth about what was happening was on ' right wing' media outlets that I would have dismissed outright previously.

Since it was only right wing outlets or posters that were talking about this, pp like Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, The Spectator etc, I feel like I've been exposed to right wing views that I now feel more more aligned to than left wing commentators like Owen Jones, Mark Steel, most comedians etc.

I now listen to Trigggernometry, Free Speech Nation The Lotus Eaters, and I'm starting to feel more aligned to them on other issues now, like free speech, immigration etc.

So, I'm thinking about the demonstration for free speech in London on 13 September in London and part of me really wants to go because I think it's really important and what's happened with the trans debate and how it's been reported in the press and how so many gender critical pp have been silenced. And it's not just about GC views, it's about free speech in general. But the people who are organising this, is really putting me off. I want to go and stand up for what I believe in but at the same time, this demo is being characterised as a ' far right' demonstration, and I don't want to be associated with that. In fact, years ago, I would have been on the other side, demonstrating against fascists.

I just can't disentangle it all in my mind, I believe in free speech and I do believe it's under threat in the UK, but at the same time I don't want to be associated with pp like Tommy Robinson. But even saying that, just watching his interview on Triggernometry was eye opening. Can anyone relate to this? I just feel so conflicted right now.

Sorry, I don't feel I've expressed myself very well, there's so much more th an this. I just can't square my identity of myself of a life long socialist with how much I disagree with so much of what the left stands for now, that I just don't agree with.

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ThisChicPinkRaven · 05/09/2025 06:13

murasaki · 04/09/2025 22:56

I really struggled in the last election. All the options were wrong for one major reason or another. It was the toughest one I've ever had in 30 years.

Same. Looking down the ballot paper was like looking at a list of diseases and selecting which one you wanted to be infected with.

I voted tactically in the end as whilst I shredded my Labour membership card some years ago - a move which subsequent events have convinced me was correct - I couldn't stomach the egregious Tories getting in again.

My preferred choice of party are unlikely to make there merest dent in voting figures, much less form a government...

...which is, of course, one of the fundamental problems with a FPTT system. By its very design it will always tend towards minority rule and a two party state.

sundayfundayclub · 05/09/2025 06:14

But if I agree with him on one thing, do I have agree with him on everything?

Isn't this part of the problem? politics is so divisive & so many seem to be all in one side & not prepared to entertain a conflicting viewpoint.

sundayfundayclub · 05/09/2025 06:16

@RedToothBrush great post

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2025 06:21

Helleofabore · 05/09/2025 06:05

When I look at the UK, it feels like looking at a spreading contagion that began with Brexit

Did it start with Brexit? Or is it a European wide issue where other major countries are reporting similar issues? What do you believe Brexit did that changed things?

It didn't start with Brexit. The same political patterns are throughout the Western democratic world.

It started with the 2008 economic crash.

There's clearly lines of divide that opened up with this - if you are over the age of 47 you economically are much better off than those under 43. It's a really hard and fast line. This represents the 2008 crash - those who owned property prior to the crash are significantly better off than those who didn't (some exceptions with those who bought just before the crash and we're screwed over by it).

The problems are most pronounced in the US and UK because the gap between the richest and the poorer is biggest.

We've also increasingly sought to drive down costs in response by closing manufacturing jobs down and outsourcing to outside the west. This has meant less jobs for those in traditional manufacturing towns in provincial areas. Disillusionment has risen in those areas with a feeling that subsequent governments have neglected their responsibilities to these areas.

With no jobs in provincial towns, young people have migrated to cities, largely taking jobs in the service sector. Many are low paid whilst housing costs have spiralled. There is a new class of low paid, well educated young people who have metropolitan views and are unable to relate to older people from provincial towns who have less economic mobility.

It's all about this growing gap between cities and provincial towns. It does not help that politicians by nature are culturally more exposed to the city because that's where they work and socialise. Not an old industrial town where all the shops have shut because no one has any money to spend in them.

Brexit was merely a reaction to this underlying problem. It was easy to blame Brexit rather than address the underlying issues. And so that's what's happened.

The COVID happened which basically amplified the economic problems caused by 2008.

sundayfundayclub · 05/09/2025 06:23

It started with the 2008 economic crash.

we never recovered from it and as you say so much damage to younger generations.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2025 06:26

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2025 06:21

It didn't start with Brexit. The same political patterns are throughout the Western democratic world.

It started with the 2008 economic crash.

There's clearly lines of divide that opened up with this - if you are over the age of 47 you economically are much better off than those under 43. It's a really hard and fast line. This represents the 2008 crash - those who owned property prior to the crash are significantly better off than those who didn't (some exceptions with those who bought just before the crash and we're screwed over by it).

The problems are most pronounced in the US and UK because the gap between the richest and the poorer is biggest.

We've also increasingly sought to drive down costs in response by closing manufacturing jobs down and outsourcing to outside the west. This has meant less jobs for those in traditional manufacturing towns in provincial areas. Disillusionment has risen in those areas with a feeling that subsequent governments have neglected their responsibilities to these areas.

With no jobs in provincial towns, young people have migrated to cities, largely taking jobs in the service sector. Many are low paid whilst housing costs have spiralled. There is a new class of low paid, well educated young people who have metropolitan views and are unable to relate to older people from provincial towns who have less economic mobility.

It's all about this growing gap between cities and provincial towns. It does not help that politicians by nature are culturally more exposed to the city because that's where they work and socialise. Not an old industrial town where all the shops have shut because no one has any money to spend in them.

Brexit was merely a reaction to this underlying problem. It was easy to blame Brexit rather than address the underlying issues. And so that's what's happened.

The COVID happened which basically amplified the economic problems caused by 2008.

Yes. I know and agree. But the poster seemed sure about it so I am wondering why they have that perspective.

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 05/09/2025 06:27

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2025 06:08

This isn't a left right problem for you.

This is a liberal authoritarian problem for you.

Understand this and you might start to understand it's not a you problem.

You believe in rights and freedom. This is actually separate from economic considerations which are left v right.

Instead of thinking of politics as a straight line between left and right, think of it as a square with four separate areas - liberal right, liberal left, authoritarian right and authoritarian left. Everyone falls somewhere within this.

The current left parties are pitching a position which is massively out of touch with the majority of the population. Party members hold more polarised views, than parliamentary party members who in turn hold more polarised views than traditional voters for these parties. This is a massive issue. Political parties are increasingly being run by individuals who have more extreme views than normal voters. This represents a loss of grass roots contact and understanding of the electorate and a growing sense of not being represented. Political parties are for the members not the public.

You are far from alone in your feelings. It's an acknowledged and recognised problem by political analysts.

The left has become increasingly authoritarian and narrow minded. You have to believe certain values and act these out publicly. You can not question certain orthodoxies. You are just supposed to accept what you are told. This is top down power against the public.

You on the other hand believe individual voices at street level hold value and should always be respected and listened to. You think concerns should be acknowledged, even if they are in areas of contention. You believe power should be held to account and that there are responsibilities and standards you expect from politicians that are not being met.

The left has essentially said certain topics are off limits are they are not prepared to have conversations about issues in sensitive areas because it's inconvenient to their inflexible belief system. The public then feel they are not being listened to and taken seriously.

It is essential in a democracy we have public debate over the more difficult and sensitive issues which are deeply complex. Politicians don't want to do this anymore because they are so scared out their party members and being cancelled. So things have festered and resentment has built up.

This underlying sentiment of disillusion has been picked up by parts of the right. They are chasing support and actually listening to grievances and acknowledging them. To be honest, this is often as far as it goes - they don't have a solution - but the acknowledgement of the problem itself feels to the public as something meaningful.

It is not that you have become more right wing. It is a failure of the left to represent you and opportunism by the right to capitalise on the failures of the left.

Note, I don't believe there is really a widespread enthusiasm for the right and right wing policies. Just a backlash against the left and the right are trying to fill that void.

Talking to people I know who have voiced that they intend to vote Reform this is a universal theme. There IS racism involved to a degree, but it's more dissatisfaction of the quality of peoples lives declining and then struggling economically. They don't feel they can turn to the left anymore because they've been failed.

Ironically if Reform do get in I don't see this improving. Their actual economic policies are vastly at odds with the public's feelings. They benefit the rich not those struggling. But they are very good at selling the idea of 'the undeserving' to those not at the rock bottom but struggling just above that. Reform will do the same as Trump and remove taxation responsibilities from the top and squeeze those below harder and remove benefits that many rely on. That will include top ups for those in work, but wages will not rise to fill the gap. The gap between rich and poor will increase.

What's likely to then happen is a long term swing back to more socialist policies but honestly I think we are a good ten to twenty years off that.

And the left wing are going to have to shed a lot of their wing nuts to get to a place where the public will trust again.

So basically it's not a you problem.

I'm hoping Labour can turn it around the prospect of a Reform government is a scary prospect.
I think you're spot on with lower paid workers and benefits and how that would work out.
Immigration does need taken in hand and some are making a very nice living from it IE hotel contracts and I agree we can't have all and sundry wandering in to the UK but the hatred that's being displayed is not the answer.
Taking the kids to hotel protests to shout abuse at poc is not going to turn out well rounded individuals in future years.

gruebleen · 05/09/2025 06:29

Howseitgoin · 05/09/2025 00:23

We have the same issue in Australia. I don't think its racists to ask the question about the benefits & costs of immigration. It gets racist tho when migrants are assumed blame for increased crime, housing crisis & economic downturn as many of these race baiters suggest because their real problem isn't economics or crime but cultural loss.

The facts are given the birthrates are below replacement, there's a necessity for immigrants to maintain economic growth. That resources are strained as a result is a consequence of Government incompetence & blaming immigrants only distracts from the real causes.

That immigrants in some areas commit more crime is a function of poverty that many waves of immigrants historically experienced that's not about inherent traits or culture.

But should the government do better better in terms of character vetting, skills selection relevant to needs & resource creation? You betcha. But how this is framed matters & supporting Reform or Tommy Robinson isn't where they are going.

Some might say 'who cares about living standards when our culture is being eroded'. As a first generation female of Italian heritage I can confirm all those sexist vestiges from my parents were gone with my birth. Subsequent generations preferring liberty & capitalism is a fact.

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That immigrants in some areas commit more crime is a function of poverty

Maybe then it's not a good idea to import lots of people who are going to struggle to find work. We could restrict immigration to people with useful skills and tie being able to stay in the country to remaining in employment.

Floisme · 05/09/2025 06:30

I totally relate op. In the general election I was able to vote for a sensible, left leaning independent candidate but I probably won’t be as lucky next time. I keep meaning to check out Blue Labour after reading an interview with Maurice Glasman in The Observer - don’t know if anyone knows more about them?

38thparallel · 05/09/2025 06:32

JazzyJelly · Yesterday 22:53
Absolutely. The Left left me! Agonised over who to vote for in the locals. Still disappointed the Communists didn't stand in my area.

Is communism the answer? There won’t be much free speech if they get into power.

Howseitgoin · 05/09/2025 06:36

gruebleen · 05/09/2025 06:29

That immigrants in some areas commit more crime is a function of poverty

Maybe then it's not a good idea to import lots of people who are going to struggle to find work. We could restrict immigration to people with useful skills and tie being able to stay in the country to remaining in employment.

That's exactly what happens in Australia. Required skills are a necessary entry condition except for maybe a small portion being emergency asylum seekers. Let's not forget Australia's unemployment figures are low (4%) so there is a need for both skilled & unskilled given most of the citizenry won't do the unskilled jobs necessary to keep the country going. Much of Australia's infrastructure is a product of unskilled laboir.

TheKeatingFive · 05/09/2025 07:03

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 05/09/2025 05:21

They’re not the left

Yeah, I agree with this. This is not the left I grew up with. That left, which was focused on the working class, seems to have more or less disappeared.

TheKeatingFive · 05/09/2025 07:08

Also, I feel 'the left' has done an incredible hatchet job on right wing politics, so that we've all been brain washed into thinking right = bad.

There are right leaning values i can totally get behind.

Personally, I feel like I've always been happiest in the centre. The Blair years were (in the main) the best it's been IMO.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 07:13

SionnachRuadh · 05/09/2025 00:08

I think one important thing is not to feel you've left one tribe and have to rush to join another tribe. Read a lot, listen a lot, expose yourself to different viewpoints.

I have a TRA friend who's a lawyer (not Jolyon) and he was absolutely shocked by the Supreme Court judgment. I believe he'd told his trans friends it was an easy win for their side.

The interesting thing is that, though he knows some prominent GC feminists and used to be friendly with them, he doesn't know their arguments and isn't interested in hearing them. His attitude is very much "they're anti-trans and anti self-ID, and that's all I need to know."

I want to say to him, Helen Joyce does two or three long-form podcast interviews in an average week. Even if you won't read her book, take an hour and listen to her, you don't have to agree with anything she says, but maybe then you wouldn't be blindsided every time your side loses a court case.

But he won't do that. It's really easy on the left to live in an information bubble. In fact people in that world will go out of their way to avoid viewpoints that the tribe doesn't approve of. It's as if they would be opening themselves up to sinful thoughts by listening to Helen Joyce.

All I'd say is don't jump into another bubble. Listen to a wide range and figure out where you stand, and you don't have to feel guilty about not being tribal.

This is excellent; the narrative has been for a while now that you’re either left or you’re right, you either 💯 believe that men can miraculously become women or you’re a bigot, it’s all so polarising because it benefits politicians, there is no nuance anymore.

I really feel for you OP having Zarah Sultana as your MP, she’s once of the most divisive out there.

I think the best we’ve ever been able to hope for when voting, is that the party we choose are mostly aligned with our values, you’re never going to agree with anyone all of the time. I have already decided to spoil my ballot paper at the next election, as a protest vote, because I don’t feel in anyway aligned as far as my rights as a woman are concerned, with any of them.

All I would say is, Stephen Yaxley Lennon doesn’t care about women anymore than Farage or Trump, they would all sweep away our rights in a heartbeat if it suited them, they may not believe people can change sex, but they are misogynists just the same.

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 07:15

There ARE definitely serious issues with immigration. But we do NOT need Robinson.

Here is a list of his many crimes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

Tommy Robinson - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

TheKeatingFive · 05/09/2025 07:22

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 07:13

This is excellent; the narrative has been for a while now that you’re either left or you’re right, you either 💯 believe that men can miraculously become women or you’re a bigot, it’s all so polarising because it benefits politicians, there is no nuance anymore.

I really feel for you OP having Zarah Sultana as your MP, she’s once of the most divisive out there.

I think the best we’ve ever been able to hope for when voting, is that the party we choose are mostly aligned with our values, you’re never going to agree with anyone all of the time. I have already decided to spoil my ballot paper at the next election, as a protest vote, because I don’t feel in anyway aligned as far as my rights as a woman are concerned, with any of them.

All I would say is, Stephen Yaxley Lennon doesn’t care about women anymore than Farage or Trump, they would all sweep away our rights in a heartbeat if it suited them, they may not believe people can change sex, but they are misogynists just the same.

All I would say is, Stephen Yaxley Lennon doesn’t care about women anymore than Farage or Trump, they would all sweep away our rights in a heartbeat if it suited them, they may not believe people can change sex, but they are misogynists just the same.

I think that is something we've known for a long time, but yes, worth reminding ourselves that is hasn't changed.

The big eye opener for me though is that left leaning men only cared about women's rights when it benefitted them (ie abortion rights). The second women's rights came into conflict with men's 'rights' to enter women's spaces, they dropped women so fast.

So quite honestly, I now see them all as different sides of the same coin. They all only give a shit if it aligns with their own political priorities.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2025 07:25

Howseitgoin · 05/09/2025 06:36

That's exactly what happens in Australia. Required skills are a necessary entry condition except for maybe a small portion being emergency asylum seekers. Let's not forget Australia's unemployment figures are low (4%) so there is a need for both skilled & unskilled given most of the citizenry won't do the unskilled jobs necessary to keep the country going. Much of Australia's infrastructure is a product of unskilled laboir.

Immigration in the UK is also based on skills and other factors very similar to Australia. I have been through the immigration process here. The UK also reports similar low unemployment figures.

I think there is some conflation here with legal immigration and illegal immigration.

Australia’s asylum seeker population is nothing like the high population European countries are experiencing. I am not sure you are understanding the issues clearly.

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2025 07:26

Excellent posts, RedToothbrush.

I think a lot of this needs to be seen in wider global contexts- limited resources, the threats of climate change, which are starting to bite and will worsen, a population that is still growing (albeit that growth is slowing), neoliberalism, globalism, and the severing of the economy from resources, leading to growth and inflation that is tied to nothing and makes impossible promises that can never be fulfilled.

Some solutions might be massive investment in nuclear, bans on recreational air travel, huge investment in health which would slow population growth, huge improvements in housing globally to counter the AC burden.

It's taken me this long to realise the authoritarianism that is baked into leftwing politics, though. So I'm wary of how wrong I may be and that we all have blindspots.

I wish the Libdems weren't so utterly insane.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 05/09/2025 07:27

TheKeatingFive · 05/09/2025 07:22

All I would say is, Stephen Yaxley Lennon doesn’t care about women anymore than Farage or Trump, they would all sweep away our rights in a heartbeat if it suited them, they may not believe people can change sex, but they are misogynists just the same.

I think that is something we've known for a long time, but yes, worth reminding ourselves that is hasn't changed.

The big eye opener for me though is that left leaning men only cared about women's rights when it benefitted them (ie abortion rights). The second women's rights came into conflict with men's 'rights' to enter women's spaces, they dropped women so fast.

So quite honestly, I now see them all as different sides of the same coin. They all only give a shit if it aligns with their own political priorities.

I agree, women’s rights will always be the thing that gets sacrificed by all of them without a second thought.

Shedmistress · 05/09/2025 07:28

We know by now that the media do hatchet jobs on anyone that is going against the approved narrative so I'd not be worried about reports about people, judge them on what you have witnessed not someone's spin on it. And oh my god can we stop citing Wikipedia as proof of anything?

Anyway, in my opinion, you should view just as much from your natural opposite side as from your side, and make your own mind up about what you believe.

On the right/left thing, what even do these words mean any more?

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 07:29

I don't want to make the OP's thread about Robinson. But I am posting this last thing here, about his alleged harassment of a Syrian schoolboy refugee. I've seen counterarguments that TR is blameless totally but I think that's a hard sell in this case, personally.

It's also interesting, to say the least, that Elon Musk has been promoting this Silenced film Robinson made about the incident.

Almondbury Community
A sixteen-year-old youth was shown on video assaulting a fifteen-year-old Syrian refugee boy in a playground attack in Almondbury, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, England. The attack took place at Almondbury Community School on 25 October 2018; the headmaster condemned the attack once it had received nationwide media
The clip shows the victim, with his arm in a cast, being dragged to the floor by his neck as his attacker says "I'll drown you" and "what are you saying now" on a school playing field, while forcing water from a bottle into the victim's mouth. The video was filmed in a lunch break. The clip shows the victim walking away, without reacting, as the attacker and others can be heard continuing to verbally abuse him.[1]

The victim, a Syrian refugee, had previously suffered a broken wrist; this had also been investigated by the police, who had interviewed three youths but took no further action.[2] No further action was taken "as the evidential test required to prosecute was not met".[3] According to court documents a fellow student claims that the broken arm was the result of an altercation that took place between him and the Syrian refugee saying, “[In the Viral Video], Jamal could be seen wearing a plaster cast on his arm and it was widely said that this was a result of bullying. I wish to point out that this was not the case. That happened after a confrontation between myself and Jamal, when he had been calling my mum a ‘white fat bitch’… When he said that about my mum I went up to him even though he was three years older than me. I was angry at what he’d called her and threw a plastic bottle at him. Jamal grabbed me and put me in a headlock and was really hurting me. Lots of people saw it. One boy stopped Jamal by pushing him off. He fell awkwardly and hurt his arm on the ground. That was why he was wearing a plaster cast, not because he was bullied, but because he was bullying me.”[4]

Subsequently, a separate video emerged of a girl, reportedly the younger sister of the Syrian refugee, also being assaulted in the school playground.[5] Previously a girl forcibly removed the girl's hijab; the attacker was excluded from the school over the incident.[6]

Director of Advocacy at the Refugee Council, Lisa Doyle said: "The idea that someone escapes war and brutality, only to be met with violence here, is truly awful."[7] The headmaster condemned the attack once it had received nationwide media attention.[8]

Victim
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The victim, originally from Homs, had spent nearly half his life as a refugee in Lebanon before being resettled by the British government in Huddersfield. Jamal said bullying at Almondbury Community School had only increased since footage of the October attack went viral and had escalated into threats at his home.[9]

Previous pleas for assistance
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Huddersfield MP, Barry Sheerman, said that the 15-year-old victim came to his office in late October asking for help: "The young man himself turned up at my office and told me he was being bullied and appealed for my help".[10] Sheerman reported the allegations to Jacqui Gedman, the leader of Kirklees Council and to Steve Walker, the Head of Children's Services.[11]

Almondbury's Conservative councillor, Bernard McGuin, revealed Jamal wrote to authorities in a desperate plea for help three weeks before the filmed attack. In the email entitled "complaint: please help me", the youngster said he had been subjected to bullying since he joined the school two years ago in year 9 and listed "incidents and allegations" at the school.[12] McGuin contacted safeguarding officers at the local authority and said: "The school only took action when authority figures got involved" – this has been denied by the Headmaster, Trevor Bowen.[3]

Suspect
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A 16-year-old boy was interviewed by West Yorkshire Police,[13] and reported for summons for an offence of assault.

The suspect had shared numerous posts from far-right social media accounts.[14] The suspect's mother had previously been prosecuted over racist behaviour.[15] The mother's case reached court in November 2017, where she admitted racially aggravated threatening behaviour and was fined.[16][better source needed] The mother had been quizzed over a second suspected racist attack after calling a chip shop owner a 'terrorist' in July 2018.[citation needed] The suspect's brother was jailed after a far-right Britain First rally erupted in violence and served a 32-month sentence for a public order offence.[17] The suspect's brother, a Huddersfield Town fan, was subsequently jailed for 20 weeks and banned from all football for 8 years for an unprovoked attack on a Halifax Town supporter.[18][17]

Tommy Robinson, activist and founder of English Defence League, interviewed the 16-year-old suspect following the incident. Robinson, may have breached court orders preventing the naming of the alleged perpetrator in several videos on Facebook and Instagram, including one that has been viewed more than 150,000 times. The former Chief Prosecutor for the north-west, Nazir Afzal contacted the police and said that posting material naming the boy was unlawful.[19]

Aftermath
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On 27 November 2018, protesters took part in a peaceful demonstration outside the school, organised by the Huddersfield Pakistani Community Alliance.[20] The victim, identified as Jamal, told The Guardian that he and his sister did not wish to return to school, and a solicitor representing the family indicated they were considering moving away from the area.[20]

Jamal said: "I cannot go to my school anymore and there are people who hang around outside my house and video me on their phones. They call me 'little rat' if I go outside. One of my neighbours threatened me outside my house just yesterday."[21]

Jamal asked people not to attack his alleged bully, and said that he was alarmed by the violent threats being made online towards the alleged attacker.[22]

In February 2019, it was reported that owing to continued xenophobic threats against Jamal's family and against other Syrian families in Huddersfield, and a failure to protect the families against these threats, Jamal's family decided to leave the area for their own safety.[23]

A fundraising page for the victim's family had received more than £150,000.[24] More than 100,000 people signed a petition calling on the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry into rising hate crime and racist bullying in British schools following the incident.[25]

Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, said he had initially written a personal note to Jamal, and later met with him and his family.[26] Javid said he was victim of racist bullying at school and that seeing the video brought back memories.[27] MP Tobias Ellwood was among those to share the footage, writing online: "Absolute disgrace – Please retweet. This bully, his parents, the school where this occurs and the onlookers who fail to step in, all have big questions to answer".[28][9]

Ofsted inspection
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The school faced an emergency inspection by Ofsted when Government inspectors made an unannounced visit on 6 December 2018.[29] Amanda Spielman, Chief Inspector of Schools, said she was "appalled" by the video and had received complaints over it.[24][15] Cathy Kirby, Ofsted North East and Yorkshire and Humber Director, said: "We take the safety of pupils very seriously. Where there are concerns about a school’s ability to safeguard pupils, we will not hesitate to inspect".[29]

The school had an Ofsted monitoring visit in September 2018, and a previous inspection of the school in June 2017 had found that it required improvement.[30][31]

False claims
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Tommy Robinson used photos taken from a 2017 article about a teenage cancer patient from Surrey[14] to claim incorrectly that the Syrian refugee had previously attacked two schoolgirls.[22] Hours after spreading the claims during two Facebook live broadcasts, Robinson admitted to his followers that he had helped spread fake news. Saying that he had been duped, he said: "I have been completely had, how embarrassing man".[32] The mother of a girl who had been alleged to have been attacked, posted to Robinson's Facebook page that Jamal was not the attacker.[33]

Legal action against Tommy Robinson
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The Syrian refugee family's lawyers, Farooq Bajwa & Co, issued a letter to Robinson stating "We wish to place you on notice that our client intends to pursue legal action against you in respect of these contents of these publications and you will shortly be receiving formal pre-action correspondence in this respect".[32] CNN International reported Robinson had deleted the videos and admitted to posting a fake photograph falsely purporting to show violence by a Muslim gang.[34]

Robinson's supporters said that the letter warning about legal action "blocked" free speech. The lawyer responded by stating that Robinson "is being held to account for lying about a child" and "thinks it is a good idea to defame this 15-year-old boy and accuse him of being the author of his own bullying. It is actually sickening."[35]

Legal action against Facebook
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Facebook protects prominent figures such as Robinson from normal rules of moderation that would usually see a page removed after posting content that violates its rules. Solicitors have suggested that Facebook was therefore responsible for Robinson's posts and had given him "special treatment [that] seems to be financially driven."[21]

Libel trial
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On 21 April 2021, the libel trial Hijazi v Yaxley-Lennon started at Royal Courts of Justice in London. Robinson (real name Yaxley-Lennon) chose to represent himself. Catrin Evans QC, representing Jamal Hijazi, told the court that Robinson's comments "turned Jamal into the aggressor, and the bully into a righteous white knight". The trial heard evidence from former pupils, all five of whom supported the defendant Lennon; the judge disbelieved them.[36]

On 22 July 2021, Robinson was found to have libelled the boy and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs,[37] which are understood to amount to a further £500,000. An injunction was also granted to stop Robinson from repeating the libel.[38] Robinson, who represented himself during the four-day trial, said he was "gobsmacked" by the costs the boy's lawyers were claiming, which he said included £70,000 for taking witness statements. He added: "I’ve not got any money. I’m bankrupt. I’ve struggled hugely with my own issues these last 12 months … I ain’t got it."[37]

In May 2023, Robinson's film Silenced was released. In the film, he repeats his defamatory claims about the boy.[39][40] He depicts the incident and the resulting fallout as a "story about how the law is being manipulated and exploited by the far left and Islamists to destroy the lives of anyone who speaks out against the so-called progressive, so-called liberal narrative." Sam Doak of Logically Facts wrote that the film's release "invites potential legal jeopardy".[40] Robinson was due to appear at a High Court hearing on 29 July 2024 after being accused of contempt of court for making the film, but instead fled the country.[41] An arrest warrant was issued after he left the country, to be enacted in October should he fail to appear at a follow-up hearing.[42] Ahead of that hearing on 28 October 2024 at Woolwich Crown Court,[43] Robinson was held in custody after handing himself in to Folkestone police station on 25 October.[44] In court, Robinson admitted contempt of court by repeating false allegations about a Syrian refugee.[45] He was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2025 07:29

l wish the Libdems weren't so utterly insane”

Same.

Shedmistress · 05/09/2025 07:31

I'm don't want to make it all about the boogy man.

Here's a gazillion posts about the boogy man to prove my point.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/09/2025 07:32

Triggernometry is so far from the right let alone any far right positions it's laughable. Do not feel bad for watching them, frankly they're incredible at allowing people to state their views and then poking massive holes in them

Free Speech - is not a right issue, not in the slightest. It used to be a left issue right up until they started having ideas that did not stand up to debate, and THEN they started to smear free speech as a far right issue.

I'm a (was) "never kiss a tory" type. I remember Thatcher, strikes, I'm up for minimum wages, progressive taxation, nationalised public services. What I am not up for is terrorist appeasement, men is dresses, queer theory, no debate.

It is absolute insanity that the people of the world are expected to fit into exactly two camps, where every topic has two polar opposite opinions, and you need to agree with all of them in a given bucket or you are thrown out. The left is the worst couplet for this.

It's not you. You did not leave the left. The left left you.

Shortshriftandlethal · 05/09/2025 07:33

Many of us have been through what you experience, having come from lefty backgrounds and activism and then having questioned and then jettisoned all previous fixed certainties.

My personal solution right now...given the febrile nature of everything.....is observational and reflective. Apart from being vocal and active on the issue of women's sex based rights, integrity and protections ( my main focus for activism)......I take a more zoomed out view on things. Looking at unfoldindg patterns; watching the various characters and actors; trying to intuit the direction of movement. I find it to be far less stressful than becoming a participant in the madness myself.

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