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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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TheKeatingFive · 06/02/2026 11:40

YouAndMeDays · 06/02/2026 09:32

He was definitely, definitely going to sue JKR, or make a criminal complaint, for calling him a man, wasn't he? I wonder how that's going...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2njjm4e2po

I thought he was suing everyone who called him a man.

Seems like that ... didn't happen.

ThatCyanCat · 06/02/2026 11:46

YouAndMeDays · 06/02/2026 09:32

He was definitely, definitely going to sue JKR, or make a criminal complaint, for calling him a man, wasn't he? I wonder how that's going...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2njjm4e2po

It was pure posturing. In essence he made a complaint to a body that had no authority and he threw in various names that had been involved in saying stuff he didn't like even though it was true. Like many talentless and unremarkable people, he mentioned JKR to raise his profile by using her fame.

Rayburn · 06/02/2026 13:14

Chersfrozenface · 06/02/2026 09:53

That's the feminine subject pronoun equivalent to 'she', or 'it' if we're talking about a grammatically feminine object. 'la' is the feminine direct object pronoun, 'lui' the indirect object pronoun used for both genders.

This is what I mean and Google Translate does it too.

”Wine for her” translates as “Du vin pour elle.”

I learned French in a Scottish school, which I admit is the opposite of a credential. Grin

Imane Khelif appeals sex testing requirements.
DustyWindowsills · 06/02/2026 14:04

Rayburn · 06/02/2026 13:14

This is what I mean and Google Translate does it too.

”Wine for her” translates as “Du vin pour elle.”

I learned French in a Scottish school, which I admit is the opposite of a credential. Grin

"Pour elle" is fine, but it's an example of a French tonic pronoun, which are used with prepositions (e.g. "pour") or for emphasis. Other examples would be "moi" and "toi". Tonic pronouns differentiate gender, i.e. "lui" and "elle".

In the example upthread, "lui" was an indirect object pronoun, and for these, "lui" is both masculine and feminine.

Ugh. I've been fighting a battle with predictive text throughout all that. I hope I won.

HildegardP · 06/02/2026 16:29

Rayburn · 06/02/2026 09:34

Do they not use “elle” as the feminine object any more?

Yes but "lui" for both masculine & feminine indirect objects & "elle" for feminine subjects, eg; "she wanted me to give her a hand" is; "elle voulait que je lui donne un coup de main".

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/02/2026 16:42

Imane Khelif, the Algerian Olympic boxer, defied strict, traditional gender roles in her rural village of Ain Mesbah by playing football with boys
. In her youth, it was rare for girls to leave their homes or play outside, yet she was discovered while engaging in this forbidden activity. Khelif's athleticism often drew bullying, which inspired her move to boxing, despite her father’s initial disapproval of girls engaging in the sport.
Key Details of Khelif's Childhood:

  • Defying Gender Norms: Growing up in a rural, conservative environment, Khelif often played football with boys because it was not common or permitted for girls to play in public spaces.
  • Overcoming Constraints: She was bullied by boys for excelling at football, but she continued to play and eventually utilized her athletic skills to transition into boxing.
  • Tough Upbringing: Her uncle noted that this challenging upbringing provided her with the strength to handle the controversy surrounding her gender eligibility.
  • Dedication to Sports: To pursue boxing against initial family and social restrictions, Khelif sold scrap metal and her mother sold couscous to fund her travel to training sessions.
Chersfrozenface · 06/02/2026 16:47

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/02/2026 16:42

Imane Khelif, the Algerian Olympic boxer, defied strict, traditional gender roles in her rural village of Ain Mesbah by playing football with boys
. In her youth, it was rare for girls to leave their homes or play outside, yet she was discovered while engaging in this forbidden activity. Khelif's athleticism often drew bullying, which inspired her move to boxing, despite her father’s initial disapproval of girls engaging in the sport.
Key Details of Khelif's Childhood:

  • Defying Gender Norms: Growing up in a rural, conservative environment, Khelif often played football with boys because it was not common or permitted for girls to play in public spaces.
  • Overcoming Constraints: She was bullied by boys for excelling at football, but she continued to play and eventually utilized her athletic skills to transition into boxing.
  • Tough Upbringing: Her uncle noted that this challenging upbringing provided her with the strength to handle the controversy surrounding her gender eligibility.
  • Dedication to Sports: To pursue boxing against initial family and social restrictions, Khelif sold scrap metal and her mother sold couscous to fund her travel to training sessions.

Retconning.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/02/2026 16:51

Chersfrozenface · 06/02/2026 16:47

Retconning.

You mean giving an explanation which preserves the integrity of the original lie? I had to work hard to get even that from AI.

Helleofabore · 06/02/2026 17:09

I think that AI contribution proves why you cannot trust AI. Garbage in - Garbage out.

DamsonGoldfinch · 06/02/2026 17:55

The Algerian Family Code is still very much in force, particularly in rural areas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Family_Code

The likelihood that a girl was playing kickabout with boys is slim to none. I can believe he sold scrap metal tho.

Algerian Family Code - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Family_Code

FallenSloppyDead2 · 06/02/2026 18:02

HoppityBun · 05/02/2026 22:42

I disagree, because he writes:

“After 18 months in enforced exile, Imane Khelif is back. Not back in boxing, but back in the business of self-serving interviews that frame her inability to compete in the female category less in terms of sporting fairness than of a supposed conspiracy by those with “political agendas”.”

Interestingly, 'her' has been changed to 'the Algerian's' in the later edition

ProfessorBinturong · 06/02/2026 21:34

Funny how the family knew who could be out and about collecting scrap metal and trading, and who ought to stay at home and cook.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2026 02:52

Yes I thought exactly that too @ProfessorBinturong

ThatCyanCat · 07/02/2026 10:33

Helleofabore · 06/02/2026 17:09

I think that AI contribution proves why you cannot trust AI. Garbage in - Garbage out.

I honest to God don't understand why people use ChatGPT or that CSA/non consensual bikini image generator Grok as the ultimate judge on anything. They do what you tell them, based on shit they pull off the internet which could have come from anywhere.

MarjorieWestriding · 07/02/2026 10:44

I agree, @ThatCyanCat I did use Grok for some 'image to text' stuff because I didn't want to transcribe it all myself but there's no way I'd trust AI with anything where truth and accuracy are important.

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