Imane Khelif appeals sex testing requirements.

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Good luck with that.

Olympic champion Imane Khelif fights World Boxing’s genetic sex testing rule

Plus it's my understanding that you can't lower your testosterone to 0. It would be lethal.

He says it's got a Y chromosome, he's got 'masculinity', and he's taken hormones to reduce his testosterone.

All of which says he's a man.

So what is the genetic testing requirement that he says he will undergo??

Speaking in Paris, Khelif said she has nothing to hide, telling CNN that she would accept genetic testing requirements – but only if conducted by the IOC.

What is this about Khalif being prepared to undergo genetic testing if it's carried out by the IOC? Does he think the IOC would classify an XY individual as male?

To be fair, I wouldn't put it past them given their history

Are there any circumstances under which a female athlete would be required to reduce her testosterone levels? My understanding is that there's a chasm of difference between the highest naturally occurring testosterone level in a healthy woman and the lowest level in a healthy male. Women's testosterone levels can only naturally approach those of a male in extreme cases such as tumours

If not, then Khalif has admitted to being male (plus the inconvenient chromosomes)

Yep.

I think he is referring to current policy. Not the expected policy for future.

That was meant to say Khalif is hoping the IOC would classify XY as female, not male 😂

But genetic testing would show Khalif to be male no matter who carries it out? Is Khalif just thinking of the IOC policy at the last Olympics of not carrying out any genetic testing at all and just accepting an athlete as female based on the sex on their passport?

“They should protect women, but they need to pay attention that while protecting women, they shouldn’t hurt other women,” she added.

How many types of women does that make? 🤔

However, remember there will be the exceptions of those male people with specific DSDs that CAN be included for now in female categories. Such as those without testosterone production at all and has never had testosterone production and those who process no testosterone and never have.

Ah ok.

That wouldn't include Khalif presumably as he has admitted he has testosterone levels too high to compete as female. I'm just trying to work out exactly how he thinks he is going to get away with competing as female after genetic testing

It's feature of French that it lacks the specificity of English when discussing this stuff, "masculinté" could translate as either masculinity or maleness, in French it's both, which has been very helpful to both DSD athletes & TIMs in fostering confusion.

(If a woman reduced her T to zero, that could have some negative effects on health & wellbeing, normal range for an adult human female is 0.3 to 1.8 nmol)

And what if a man did it ?

I am somewhat confused. It seems that he has effectively announced that he is a man - confirming XY chromosomes with an active SRY gene on the Y but is still maintaining the he is a woman and wants to compete against women? Is that right?

Speaking in Paris, Khelif said she has nothing to hide, telling CNN that she would accept genetic testing requirements – but only if conducted by the IOC.

The IOC are using the World Boxing testing for the LA Olympics, so this doesn't make sense.
The Paris Olympics didn't have any testing, just what it said on your passport, hence Khelif being able to participate, but that was because they were no longer using the discredited IBA testing regime.
They've now adopted the Word Boxing one, which is very sensible and definitive, so 'genetic testing conducted by the IOC' would be 'genetic testing conducted by WB', and good luck getting past that, Imane!

Bad Things but he's not required to, even Semenya was allowed 5n/mol. His difficulty isn't his circulating testosterone on any given day, it's his male body & male puberty.

IMO, the only hard case is CAIS, where complete androgen insenstivity means one can have an SRY gene but other than often above-average height compared to females, no male advantage, not even a male Q-angle.

My own feeling is that we need a bright line so a CAIS athlete would be unable to compete in the female category but I've never heard of an elite athlete with CAIS, perhaps that's a function of the poor early bone mineralisation that can be the result of late diagnosis?

I think CAIS athletes have been allowed to take part in the female categories. I remember there was a Spanish one and an Indian one.

@AreYouSureAskedNaomi If we don't make a bright line between M & F then this whole stupid, wasteful palaver will continue. It was a male Spanish athlete whose DSD was (allegedly) only discovered at international competition level who triggered the entire campaign to "include" such males in the female category, which endeavour was, of course, parasitised by Gender Identitarians.

On a personal level I can have some sympathy with CAIS athletes but in order to protect the female category we have to protect the female category, not bend over backwards to appease a subset of males who may have biological disadvantages when compared to their fellow males.

Perhaps CAIS individuals could compete in their own category at the Paralympics?

It is quite possible that Khelif is genetically a man but still believes he is a woman because that is what all the coaches and his family etc have told him all his life. He is young and may not have had much of a formal education, so he could well believe this.

still doesn’t mean he gets to fight in the female category.

You'd need to establish grassroots, national & international competitions to satisfy qualification requirements. CAIS is very rare, in many, perhaps most countries you'd be unlikely to be able to meet the requirements because either you wouldn't find enough competitors, or geography would make running the competitive circuit too complex & costly.

Him. He is male, no question

It really isn’t. No Muslim Algerian woman would be carried round by her coach on his shoulders with her genitalia in contact with his neck. It’s inconceivable. Khelif, his coach and everyone around him knows he’s a man.

But like Semenya it’s more lucrative for everyone to pretend he’s not

Having XY chromosomes evidences someone is male - not that they are masculine or have ‘male-ness’. I wonder if this is how TRAs operate in French? I’m familiar with the mangling of English to create as much confusion as possible, it’s interesting to see it in French

Oliver Brown in the Telegraph has no time for his nonsense

https://archive.ph/OaX9S

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2026/02/05/imane-khelifs-latest-propaganda-campaign-should-fool-nobody/

@Brainworm French has only one word, "masculinté", for both masculinity & maleness.
Just for shitz & giggles I may as well point out that in French, vaginas are male, "le vagin".