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The Autumn Bluestocking - mist, mellow fruitfulness and hot chocolate!

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/08/2025 20:37

Welcome one and all - as the nights draw in, pull up a chair to the fire, and the gerbils will be along soon with hot chocolate and Tunnock’s teacakes.

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inkymoose · 01/09/2025 11:21

@DeanElderberrywrote:
"When I started being online nearly a quarter of century ago I chose the Dean Volecape name as a protection from the sometimes baffling, sometimes not, interpersonal disputes that arose from time to time. So many potential causes, but I have come to be wary of virtual marriages, and of constructing elaborate scenarios that include avatars of other posters (again, more than 20 years of experience and the scars to show for it"

Today is the first time I've come across the scenario where several people are actually upset about something that's happened in the imaginary Bluestocking women only pub. There was an incident a few threads ago where somebody took umbridge over personal comments and left never to return, but the banned/lemon fight seems to have rattled several people.

The Bluestocking is for everyone, but perhaps it's not for everyone in the sense that some people don't like silliness and playing games (by games I mean actual games, actual playing, for fun, not mind games or one upmanship games). Even in the Bluestocking where everyone is pretty silly it is possible to take offence, and the fact that it's online makes it much more intense and paradoxically "real".

The rules of being on mumsnet decree that one must have a username and that that username must be different from everybody else's. Also, usernames are designed to prevent spying by "the real world", so that people can speak and discuss freely without fear of their true identity being exposed, when they (and their family) might potentially be at risk.

So I think there is an understanding that people wanting to relax and chat in the Bluestocking are all different from each other, and this comes from the rules of mumsnet, not the rules of the Bluestocking.

What Dean says about creating avatars involving other posters is really interesting because I have not really had experience with avatars and making their images before coming across the Bluestocking and its odd conversations and very funny scenes. I did not know how it was possible to make AI images until I came here.

It is a fascinating imaginary world, more fascinating because all of the imaginary creatures in here are actually real people, and there's an element of wearing a mask when you're pretending to be a moose for instance, so you assume some imaginary moose like qualities while you're here, but these are not carried over outside mumsnet as far as I know.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/09/2025 11:55

As no-one else has corroborated Lemon's account of how the lemon hedgehog came into being, I'd just like to say that that IS what happened a few threads back - I checked last night when she wrote about it.

And when I saw it again, I remembered being confused at the time, but thinking I must've missed something (which happens often here).

I think there was a glitch in the usually efficient but insane workings of the Bluestocking, & I apologise if it was due to my fiddling with the space/time continuum in my lab just at that moment - if indeed there WAS a moment, or when it was. IYKWIM

I don't know quite what happened or why it happened, but I'm ancient enough to know that a good relationship can survive a few blips. So I hope that will happen now. I apologise if I contributed to this 'blip' in any way. I know I made a couple of AI images, & if I got it wrong with those, I'm sorry. No hurt was intended to either party; I thought I was following a narrative that everyone was going along with, even though I felt a bit confused about WTF was going on - which, as I say, is normal working for me here.

AsWithGlad · 01/09/2025 12:05

I was sent, as a gift, a subscription to Michael Foran's substack,(Knowing Ius) where he posts a summary on the day's events and his thoughts on the Sandie Peggie/Dr Upton/Fife NHS tribunal.

(He probably posts other things too)

He has just taken up a post as a law lecturer at Oxford, I think. I find his explanations very clear.

I have just paid for a month's subscription so that I can read about today and tomorrow's submissions in that case, and have been offered several free subs - Each friend will receive one free month of paid subscriber benefits to Knowing Ius via email valued at £5

If anyone here would like one, please send me your email address by PM.

AsWithGlad · 01/09/2025 12:07

Signing up doesn't commit you to anything, except possibly receiving their emails for the rest of the month, and you don't give any bank details.

AsWithGlad · 01/09/2025 12:12

His live recordings are recorded, so new subscribers can go back and read his earlier ones on the case if they are so minded.

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 12:22

AsWithGlad · 01/09/2025 12:05

I was sent, as a gift, a subscription to Michael Foran's substack,(Knowing Ius) where he posts a summary on the day's events and his thoughts on the Sandie Peggie/Dr Upton/Fife NHS tribunal.

(He probably posts other things too)

He has just taken up a post as a law lecturer at Oxford, I think. I find his explanations very clear.

I have just paid for a month's subscription so that I can read about today and tomorrow's submissions in that case, and have been offered several free subs - Each friend will receive one free month of paid subscriber benefits to Knowing Ius via email valued at £5

If anyone here would like one, please send me your email address by PM.

That's v nice of you AsWith, I'm sure your offer will be snapped upSmile

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2025 12:35

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 12:22

That's v nice of you AsWith, I'm sure your offer will be snapped upSmile

I have done the same, so PM me if you want a gift. First come, first served by PM. Saying it on this thread doesn’t count. 💙

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 12:37

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2025 12:35

I have done the same, so PM me if you want a gift. First come, first served by PM. Saying it on this thread doesn’t count. 💙

Ditto 'that's very kind of you' to you MyrtleSmile

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2025 14:09

@MyrtleLion Doing a grand job at nauticants thread!!!

Britinme · 01/09/2025 14:31

As a young teenager I remember being enthralled by Lobsang Rampa's books, and I think I probably read most of them. The one that claimed to have been written by his cat was a step too far though in terms of making me wonder if the rest of his claims stood up to inspection.

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:40

Britinme · 01/09/2025 14:31

As a young teenager I remember being enthralled by Lobsang Rampa's books, and I think I probably read most of them. The one that claimed to have been written by his cat was a step too far though in terms of making me wonder if the rest of his claims stood up to inspection.

I wonder what a memoir written by a cat would look like. Based on my experience, it might be something like...

"I woke up after a mere 20 hours sleep and went along to the kitchen, where my human was preparing food. I asked for some smelly biscuits and she said 'Oh, are you awake wee cat?' Then I noted she was making a smoked salmon sandwich and I said 'On second thought, I'll have the salmon thanks', but the stupid human just gave me a plate of smelly biscuits and kept the salmon for herself. You can't get the service nowadays."

Britinme · 01/09/2025 14:44

Ha ha that sounds like what my cats would write. "I keep nudging her legs but she completely ignores me and sits in front of that stupid box, even when I am lying on the bit in front of it that she waves her hands over."

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/09/2025 15:00

I would not like to know what CatBastard is thinking about me - I am absolutely sure it is not complimentary. I am, at best, a barely adequate cat servant.

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MyrtleLion · 01/09/2025 15:11

This appeared on my Twitter feed.

The Autumn Bluestocking - mist, mellow fruitfulness and hot chocolate!
MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 16:15

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/09/2025 15:00

I would not like to know what CatBastard is thinking about me - I am absolutely sure it is not complimentary. I am, at best, a barely adequate cat servant.

Well some Irish cats have actually made a short TV documentary about their humans' behaviour

😄
ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2025 16:26

I quite like some cats but I’m a dog person.
I was my dogs’ Goddess. However, in common with some human deities this meant I was both the object of their adoration but also their provider and servant; their soulful-eyed prayers and piteous supplications rarely went unanswered.
Thats what you call having a good DogMa😂

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2025 16:27

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 16:23

Something funny seems to have happened to the youtube link, here it is again:

Worked ok first time for me.

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 16:28

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2025 16:27

Worked ok first time for me.

Good - it seemed to have included all the suggested videos that appear beside the main video - including some interesting ones of old 19c photos 'brought to life' - spooky, but fun!

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 16:46

I come from the Sandie Peggie summing up day one bearing not one but two interpretive dance routines.

Transclucents written submission:

🩰 Interpretive Dance Routine: “Sad Times”

Theme:

A tragicomic ballet of misplaced conviction, bureaucratic melodrama, and the catharsis of judicial laughter.

🎭 Act I: The Mourning of Men

  • Lighting: Dim blue wash, with slow strobes mimicking courtroom fluorescents.
  • Music: A mournful cello solo, punctuated by sudden, childish cymbal crashes.
  • Movement:
A group of suited dancers enter in slow motion, clutching handkerchiefs and legal binders. They collapse one by one, sobbing into the floor, legs kicking like toddlers denied pudding. Their choreography is erratic—flailing arms, dramatic pirouettes into despair, and synchronized tantrum rolls across the stage. Occasionally, one attempts to stand and deliver a solemn monologue gesture, only to be overcome by emotion and crumple again.
  • Symbolism:
Their movements parody gravitas—each gesture meant to evoke dignity is undercut by exaggerated weeping and floor-thumping. The binders they carry are blank, fluttering open to reveal nothing but scribbles and teardrops.

📜 Act II: The Intervention

  • Lighting: A harsh spotlight isolates one dancer who rises, trembling, and mimes typing furiously on an invisible laptop.
  • Music: A frantic harpsichord piece, growing increasingly discordant.
  • Movement:
The ensemble gathers around a large scroll unfurled across the stage. They “submit” their thoughts by dancing atop it—leaping, stamping, and rolling, leaving behind trails of nonsense (represented by projected gibberish text). Their movements become more chaotic as they mime printing hundreds of pages, tossing them into the air like confetti. One dancer attempts to read aloud from the submission but devolves into gibberish, sobbing mid-sentence and crawling offstage.
  • Symbolism:
The act of “intervening” is rendered as a desperate plea for relevance—an interpretive tantrum masquerading as jurisprudence.

⚖️ Act III: The Judge’s Chamber

  • Lighting: Warm amber glow, suggesting quiet authority and mahogany furniture.
  • Music: Silence, then a single chuckle played on bassoon.
  • Movement:
A lone dancer enters as the judge—stoic, composed, with a gavel tucked under one arm. He reads the submission (a scroll now tangled around his legs), and slowly begins to shake with laughter. His body convulses in mirth—shoulders bouncing, feet tapping, until he breaks into a full comedic jig. He tosses the scroll into a bin beneath his desk (a prop revealed with dramatic flair), then pirouettes away with a wink to the audience.

Final Tableau:
The sad men peek from behind curtains, watching the judge dance. One attempts to cry again but only produces a squeaky hiccup. The curtain falls as the bin lid closes.

🗒️ Notes for Staging:

  • Costumes:
Ill-fitting suits, tear-stained cravats, and socks with constitutional quotes.
  • Props:
Oversized scrolls, invisible laptops, a bin with golden trim labeled “Judicial Discretion.”
  • Tone:
A blend of Beckettian absurdity and operatic farce. The sadness is real, but the self-importance is hilariously misplaced.

I've got to go find the second one back shortly

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 16:48

JRs snoozefest of an afternoon

To sum up this afternoon via the medium of interpretive dance

🩰 The Respondents

unfolds in a cavernous courtroom set, where one woman barrister performs a slow, repetitive arm gesture—each movement a syllable of her droning monologue. Her feet shuffle in legalese spirals, never breaking rhythm.

Behind her, the judge slumps in his chair, eyelids descending like velvet curtains. The opposing barrister curls into a fetal pirouette, while the gallery melts into dreamlike tableaux—snoring in synchrony, heads nodding like metronomes.

The climax is silence: her final gesture, a limp wrist drop, echoed by the soft thud of a gavel falling from the judge’s sleeping hand.

Curtain.

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2025 16:52

Apologies about the gift subscription. I think I didn’t get them because I’m not subscribed to Substack’s marketing emails.

SadTimes.

MarieDeGournay · 01/09/2025 17:30

I know you've all been on tenterhooks to know who was going to perform the ribbon-cutting ceremony at the Grand Opening of the Real Bluestocking - would Naomi be able to take time out of her busy schedule? Perhaps Maya? or even... even JKR herself?

Unfortunately, none of them were free - well TBH I didn't actually ask them, all three of them get enough online weirdness without being asked if they'd like to pretend to be 4.5cm tall and take part in an imaginary ceremony involving a real, though very small, model of an imaginary public house😒

But if any of them are reading this, and are feeling slighted because they weren't asked - sorry, we'll have another Grand Opening just for you.

However, we've got someone even more impressive - none other than Emmeline flippin' Pankhurst is going to open the Real Bluestocking for us! What an honour!

Yes, Emmeline “What is the use of going for a drink if we have not got a women's pub to drink in?” Pankhurst!Smile

So the scene is set for the Grand Opening - any day now....

[Thanks to Corgi models - I think she's the only woman in their series of modern historical figures]

edited to offer 'none of them WAS free' to the occupants of Pedantry CornerWink

The Autumn Bluestocking - mist, mellow fruitfulness and hot chocolate!
Magpiecomplex · 01/09/2025 17:39

@ifIwerenotanandroid is it you that likes nail polish? I thought you might appreciate my latest purchases from Rainbow Connection! The blueish one is Take No Shit (good name) and the purplish one is Till The Music Stops.
I think both would look great on Boily's elytra too!

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