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WimbledonWhites · 25/08/2025 11:32

I’m just adding a good article in the Telegraph Jill Foster wrote and shared on X
www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a2f39db2d1c6c1b6

Thelnebriati · 25/08/2025 12:38

Telegraph link archived: https://archive.ph/Otg0h

Thelnebriati · 25/08/2025 12:41

The Times link archived: archive.ph/ku6K4

Shedmistress · 25/08/2025 12:56

Does this mean that the original consultation responses will have to be made available as part of the disclosure? As that was when the original decision was made?

Igmum · 25/08/2025 13:14

Wouldn’t that be great Shedmistress? Hopefully they have been carefully preserved (perhaps on Dr Upton’s phone, which seems very safe).

IANAL but, since the SC ruling, I can’t see that they have a leg to stand on.

BunfightBetty · 25/08/2025 13:31

Saw Maya tweeting this and was delighted. It’s about time this was dealt with.

I noticed in the comments that somebody said Edward Lord is a high-ranking Freemason. This was a new angle to me, though probably not to others on the board. Is freemasonry captured? Is that why so many institutions fell so quickly and easily to this idiotic ideology?

anyolddinosaur · 25/08/2025 14:20

Crowdfund to keep men out of the Ladies’ Pond is short of a few plants - water lilies maybe?

deadpan · 25/08/2025 16:36

Thelnebriati · 25/08/2025 12:38

Telegraph link archived: https://archive.ph/Otg0h

My dad sent me that when it was first published and I remember thinking how sad it must have been for those women who'd had such horrible experiences, to then have their special place invaded.
And what a lot of articles don't say is that there's a mixed pond already there too.

Treaclewell · 25/08/2025 17:07

They're reviewing the situation are they?
Since I read that I've had Fagin singing in my ear. I think they'd better think it out again.
Seriously, I don't think they've a leg to stand on. And I don't think the Masons will look good as they are supposed to be concerned with good works. Not enabling whatever they are enabling here. It isn't allowing the poor disadvantaged trans to have a quiet swim, cos they could go in the mixed pool.

GallantKumquat · 26/08/2025 05:30

One thing that has surprised me about the trans issue is the transparently manipulative tactics used to manufacture consent and the difficulty countering them. Media tends to treat such claims with credulity, of course, but for some reason people sympathetic to GC positions find it hard to articulate the very obvious ways in which these arguments are defective. I really admire the ease with which Forstater & co. at SM demolish these tropes, they make it look so easy.

Supporters of the trans-inclusive policy cite the positive vote to include trans women from members of the KLPA as a reason why Sex Matters should drop any case. But Sex Matters dismiss this.

“You can’t vote to discriminate and obviously if you’ve caused lots of women to self-exclude and then you take a vote amongst those who didn’t self-exclude, the answer will be: ‘We think it’s fine,’” says Forstater. “But it’s not up to them to vote, it’s up to the City of London to provide a service that is lawful.

“People still have freedom of association to vote to live their life in a particular way and if there is a group of women who want to swim with trans women then they are free to do that.

“But they need to do that in the mixed pond. What they can’t do is vote that a public service that is spending public money and is required to comply with the Equality Act doesn’t do that.”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/08/2025 23:34

GallantKumquat · 26/08/2025 05:30

One thing that has surprised me about the trans issue is the transparently manipulative tactics used to manufacture consent and the difficulty countering them. Media tends to treat such claims with credulity, of course, but for some reason people sympathetic to GC positions find it hard to articulate the very obvious ways in which these arguments are defective. I really admire the ease with which Forstater & co. at SM demolish these tropes, they make it look so easy.

Supporters of the trans-inclusive policy cite the positive vote to include trans women from members of the KLPA as a reason why Sex Matters should drop any case. But Sex Matters dismiss this.

“You can’t vote to discriminate and obviously if you’ve caused lots of women to self-exclude and then you take a vote amongst those who didn’t self-exclude, the answer will be: ‘We think it’s fine,’” says Forstater. “But it’s not up to them to vote, it’s up to the City of London to provide a service that is lawful.

“People still have freedom of association to vote to live their life in a particular way and if there is a group of women who want to swim with trans women then they are free to do that.

“But they need to do that in the mixed pond. What they can’t do is vote that a public service that is spending public money and is required to comply with the Equality Act doesn’t do that.”

Yes, perfect response from Maya.

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