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Hampstead Heath Ladies' Pond faces legal action

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IwantToRetire · 26/06/2025 20:53

Hampstead Heath Ladies’ Pond is facing legal action for allegedly failing to ban transgender women despite the landmark Supreme Court gender ruling.

The famed women-only bathing spot has maintained its trans-inclusive policy pending a ‘review’ in spite of the UK’s highest court ruling in April that trans women are not legally female.

Women’s rights campaigners sent a legal letter to the City of London Corporation, which manages the ponds, last week warning they intend to bring a legal challenge unless the policy is revoked with 'immediate effect’.

The legal letter, seen by the Mail, says that the current policy ‘violates the dignity of women using the Ladies’ Pond’ and that the Corporation is ‘operating it unlawfully by allowing trans identifying males to access it’.

From https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14851251/Hampstead-Heath-Ladies-Pond-legal-action-ban-trans-women-Supreme-Court.html

Different version of same story https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/26/hampstead-ladies-pond-swimmers-accuse-trans-women-spying/ and at https://archive.is/fZ31q

Hampstead Ladies' Pond faces legal action over trans-inclusive policy

The famed women-only bathing spot has maintained its trans-inclusive policy pending a 'review' in spite of the UK's highest court ruling in April that trans women are not legally female.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14851251/Hampstead-Heath-Ladies-Pond-legal-action-ban-trans-women-Supreme-Court.html

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KnottyAuty · 26/06/2025 21:01

Well done those wims!

thirdfiddle · 26/06/2025 21:02

Interesting, and an excellent choice of target as there's already a mixed sex third space.

I'll be really interested to see how exactly they have framed it, if that comes out. Discrimination against women by violating their dignity? Discrimination against religious groups who can't use it as it's mixed sex? Discrimination against men as it's not a single sex space in there terms of the EA so the single sex exemption can't be used?

DragonRunor · 26/06/2025 21:11

Brilliant! The swimming ponds have been an egregious example of sex discrimination, with men permitted to use all three and many women excluded completely.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 26/06/2025 21:12

Well done, i hope it goes well

EweSurname · 26/06/2025 21:30

It’s been such a clear example of how compromise won’t be countenanced. The mixed sex pond is the perfect third space but its not enough - for some men, the attraction is in violating women’s spaces

MolluscMonday · 26/06/2025 21:37

Excellent news. I wonder if they need any gardening done?

myplace · 26/06/2025 21:39

Excellent. Couldn't happen to a better example of egregious misogyny.

Davros · 26/06/2025 21:39

Fantastic. I’m still waiting for a response from my MP (Tulip Sidiq) about this

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 21:54

I think a certain somebody is providing funding to sex matters as they are issuing letters before action all over the place.

excellent.

PencilsInSpace · 26/06/2025 21:56

thirdfiddle · 26/06/2025 21:02

Interesting, and an excellent choice of target as there's already a mixed sex third space.

I'll be really interested to see how exactly they have framed it, if that comes out. Discrimination against women by violating their dignity? Discrimination against religious groups who can't use it as it's mixed sex? Discrimination against men as it's not a single sex space in there terms of the EA so the single sex exemption can't be used?

The violating dignity bit is unlawful harassment because of a protected characteristic (sex).

This is defined as unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic that has the purpose or effect of violating your dignity, or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for you.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

Preventing unlawful harassment is the main legitimate aim of most uses of the SSE when you think about it.

ParmaVioletTea · 26/06/2025 22:04

Good. I hope they are successful in suing those responsible. There’s a mixed pond, but oh no, cross-dressing men just have to claim their lady status.

SidewaysOtter · 26/06/2025 22:05

Good.

Appropriate gardening available if required. I'm thinking maybe some waterlilies...

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 22:05

PencilsInSpace · 26/06/2025 21:56

The violating dignity bit is unlawful harassment because of a protected characteristic (sex).

This is defined as unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic that has the purpose or effect of violating your dignity, or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for you.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

Preventing unlawful harassment is the main legitimate aim of most uses of the SSE when you think about it.

The fact that it says the women’s pond does it by itself and there is a third space for the Erm other people, so we are all watching this non compliance.

which s not going to go well.

thank goodness for Helen maya fws and a few more besides.

Hedgehogbrown · 26/06/2025 22:07

There is a mixed pond so there was never any need for them to force this on women. I've been there and the women walk around naked. No place for a naked man.

Igmum · 27/06/2025 17:14

Excellent. I hope they win hand over fist and happy to offer carrots 🥕 . This pond has been an egregious example of women being sidelined when there is ample provision for TW. Well done Sex Matters 👏

hholiday · 27/06/2025 17:27

Agree - any word of a garden being planted, a tip off would be welcome.

Shedmistress · 27/06/2025 17:30

Let's not forget they had a consultation which they then refused to publish responses and totally ignored all the people saying 'no'

TicketyBoo11 · 27/06/2025 17:35

Good. I blame the Drs and Psychiatrists and whoever else that told men they could actually be women if they wanted to be. Sick of this crap and the way we have been made to feel for thinking the truth or heaven forbid, speaking the truth. Enough now.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 27/06/2025 17:37

Well done!

There is clearly already a 3rd space.

Women were thrown out of the Men's, so it clearly doesnt work both ways.

annzen · 27/06/2025 17:38

Someone in charge in the council must be trans allied.

I've never seen anything as blatantly discriminatory as this, and against SC clarification aswell.

drspouse · 27/06/2025 17:38

It concerns me slightly that they are relying on deception: the WI and GG are fairly open about admitting trans identifying males so could argue "well we are ok because we are openly inclusive [of men]".

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 27/06/2025 17:38

Good news indeed. It should never have had to come to this.

MyAmpleSheep · 27/06/2025 17:40

I think this could be a very important test case about whether mixed-sex single-gender services are legal; it has all the appropriate elements. On the one hand it would be great if the CoLC changed their policy right away, but on the other hand it would be very helpful to have it thrashed out in court.