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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Penises don't rape people, rapists do

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BeLemonNow · 23/08/2025 15:32

Penises don't rape people, rapists do
I read it in Judith Butler's 'Gender Woo'.

There were suggestions in another thread we are (i) poorly read and and (ii) obsessed with penises

So I read Judith Butler's "Who's Afraid of Gender" and was asked for a summary. That's probably the best bit, I've summarised for clarity and set it to a tune oc.

Has anyone else read it who would like to share their thoughts?

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BabyCatFace · 24/08/2025 08:45

And what do all people with penises have in common? (Well unless you're Judith butler I guess)
if the issue was only the lack of penis, women would be committing rape with other parts of their body or with objects on a similar level to men. But they aren't. Explain that, Judy woo.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/08/2025 08:59

DrBlackbird · 24/08/2025 00:39

Splitting hairs? Bullshit dogma? Rapist apologist? Or my personal favourite just plain bat shit crazy to make those claims and to what end?

Well indeed to what end. Other than reinforcing the fact that a male who has had his penis removed is no less of a danger than the rest of his sex even if he can no longer rape according to U.K. law. The stats on violent and sexual offences are clear - whatever the ‘cause’ is, it’s vastly commoner in males than females and is undiminished by ‘transition’.

Somehow I don’t think Butler intended her word salad to mean we’re quite right to not want to give the small proportion of males who’ve ’surgically transitioned’ a pass into women’s spaces, but that’s a logical inference from it

BeLemonNow · 24/08/2025 09:03

@GallantKumquat Thanks very much for the clear and detailed summary.

I felt the same with the strawman and logical fallacies - especially as she's supposedly a philosopher and should do better.

Perhaps the most useful bit was she did at least note that the UK isn't the USA!

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Grammarnut · 24/08/2025 18:30

BeLemonNow · 23/08/2025 16:03

Unfortunately Butler and publishers wrote a chapter on the UK without realising that as a matter of UK law rape is penetration by a penis.

"The reason for this domination is not biological; the body, rather, is organized and suffused by the operative relations of power at work. Yes, rape is unwanted penetration, and that can be from a penis, a fist, or anything else that can serve as a blunt instrument. The instrument does not give rise to rape, though it makes it happen. Strangulation requires the hands, but the hands themselves are not the reason why someone is strangling someone else. The activity of the penis or, indeed, a blunt instrument to execute a rape is surely not the cause of rape, but one of its possible instruments."

Even without knowing rape in the UK involves a penis this lot still doesn't make sense - it's illogical word salad.

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