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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 18/08/2025 21:32

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 21:03

That's the million dollar question - what counts as transphobia?

Some TRAs would argue that seeking to restrict trans people in literally any way is transphobic. I can't remember enough provenance to find the link but there was an "open letter" recently about their demands, and it was basically just "let us do whatever we want whenever we want, just because we say so."

It isn't transphobic to criticise, debate this issue, or place restrictions on some trans people in some circumstances.

TransActual's definition of transphobia can be summarised as exactly that:

https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia/

Transphobia – TransActual

https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 21:34

Plenty of reasons have been provided. OP didn't ask for reasons she or you would approve of.

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 21:48

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 18/08/2025 21:32

TransActual's definition of transphobia can be summarised as exactly that:

https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia/

Well, I did need a good laugh!

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 22:15

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:00

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/child-labour-primark-topshop-sustainable-fashion-industry-m-and-s-select-committee-parliament-a8654026.html

Just one example here, loopholes allowing children as young as 14 to "legally" work in factories, and Primark don't deny this.

If you refused to buy clothes that used any morally dubious labour or labour practices at any point in the supply chain whatsoever, you'd be going around naked. It's all completely entangled.

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 22:19

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 18/08/2025 21:00

I don't recall her being criticised at all before she came out in support of Maya Forstater. So I don't believe that people think she is awful because of the rules of Quidditch, or child-exploitation, or somesuch. It's because she is transphobic (=doesn't subscribe to gender ideology and thinks it is harmful).

She supported a court action which has reversed the legal 'sex change' of GRC-holders for sex-based rights purposes. So TW will be excluded from women-only facilities etc. This is a bad thing!

TRAs work backwards from this to prove that she must hate trans people and be disgusted by them, and that is why she supports this terrible thing, but they've got it wrong, of course.

Anyway, by these lights, virtually everyone here is transphobic too. I know I am.

She was being criticized in fandom circles by the professional offense-takers and problem-finders, who'd decided she was too rich and successful for a woman, and needed to be taken down a peg or two.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 18/08/2025 22:29

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:00

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/child-labour-primark-topshop-sustainable-fashion-industry-m-and-s-select-committee-parliament-a8654026.html

Just one example here, loopholes allowing children as young as 14 to "legally" work in factories, and Primark don't deny this.

The article is not that clear on what the 14 year olds are doing

After a quick check on UK employment law - the AI yields this

The legal minimum age for employment in the UK is 13 for most types of work. However, children aged 13-16 can only work part-time and under strict conditions

The devil is in the detail though, IANAL

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 22:35

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 10:04

She could be using her platform for good, instead she uses it to target marginalised and vulnerable groups and attack them repeatedly. Not just transgender people, cis-women who appear too "manly", asexuals and anyone who doesn't agree with her stance.

There's also a lot of racist stereotypes in the Harry Potter books, and they're not at all well-written. All the ideas are stolen and they are full of plot holes. There are no openly gay characters but she's tried to curry favour with the gay community by randomly going back and naming characters as gay, despite no evidence of them being gay when she wrote it. It all comes across as calculated and fake.

If you don't believe that trans people are really the gender they say they are, you're probably able to overlook all that.

The irony of posing as a man in order to write books about how people shouldn't present as the opposite gender will never stop being ridiculous.

I won't be arguing further about it on this thread or anywhere else- you asked and I answered.

The irony of posing as a man in order to write books about how people shouldn't present as the opposite gender will never stop being ridiculous.

I agree this would be very ironic if it had actually happened.

Bloozie · 19/08/2025 00:14

May we all find a love as strong as the love you lot feel for JK. It’s precious 🥰

PersephoneSeethes · 19/08/2025 00:17

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:43

I never said she was embarrassing. Other people have labelled me as that.

I saw a really good post on here a few weeks ago about how there are much, much more pressing issues facing us. Our NHS being stripped, children living in poverty, the cost of living crisis. Things like trans people, the “boat people” etc are used by politicians as a diversion tactic to hide that they’re not doing anything to address the actual issues.

can I hand you a shovel? 🪏

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 19/08/2025 00:53

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 22:35

The irony of posing as a man in order to write books about how people shouldn't present as the opposite gender will never stop being ridiculous.

I agree this would be very ironic if it had actually happened.

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Don't these people understand why she had a pen name? Because of gender stereotypes, the same "gender" they advocate for.

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 19/08/2025 01:12

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:44

Two things can be true at once. It's not always an either/or situation. If you don't believe the entertainment industry has a well documented history of exploiting child actors, and that a decade long project in the current age of emboldened online negativity and sometimes outright bigotry, is going to most likely prove a challenging backdrop for these new child actors to grow up in, you are sadly mistaken.

I do hope you make sure you never benefit from companies that have a less than perfect record on child exploitation, or any other kind of exploitation. Ever enjoyed any films from Disney or WB? Ever shopped in a supermarket? Ever bought any clothes that weren't entirely hand produced by self-employed artisans? I suspect you're as hypocritical as JKR, or your next door neighbour, or I.

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 19/08/2025 01:24

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

This has been debunked time and time again. You are about 3 years late @RapidOnsetGenderCritic
But please post your evidence.

StopTheWorld1WantToGetOff · 19/08/2025 01:33

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

I think you are misunderstanding the work she does and her intentions in the trans/women’s rights debate. Her interest in it is directly because she could see the harm and potential harm caused by allowing men in into women’s shelters. She was abused herself and understands the vital importance of such places. As someone with a platform she felt it was her duty to stand up when other women without such a platform were being ignored and shouted down and told there was no debate. She made a very valid point that she could stand up, because although she knew it would start a shitstorm of abuse and “cancellation”, she is not risking her job or her livelihood, or the wellbeing of her family; something that many “normal” women could have faced. It is an issue very close to her heart because of her own life experience. As PPs have said she contributes to a variety of causes in different ways, but people are allowed to support causes that are important to them. They don’t need to support all causes everywhere, or support causes that align with some sort of hierarchy that you have decided. I am pleased she stood up. There was a point when I wanted to at work but was too scared of losing my job. Thankfully others like Jk Rowling and Alison Bailey and Maya Forstater and many more have stood up and put their lives on the line in various ways to defend all of us, and mean that women like me don’t have to be afraid to state their views, or to raise concerns about women’s rights issues. Thank fuck for JK and women like her.

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:46

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

You're posting this in a forum where seething hate of trans people is encouraged 😂Again, it's like going onto Stormfront and asking why people think the KKK is bad.

There's plenty of public trans spaces where you can go and ask this and all you have to do is (a) be honest and (b) not let your homophobia/transphobia out. Hell, before GCs notched the derangement up, I used to have DM conversations with some on Twitter.

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:48

(obviously if 'being honest' means letting your homophobia / transphobia out then you should stay well away from queer people)

Apollo441 · 19/08/2025 02:07

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:48

(obviously if 'being honest' means letting your homophobia / transphobia out then you should stay well away from queer people)

In the 80's i stood up for my gay friends and was physically assualted on one occasion but it never stopped me from confrontng and the thugs. So kindly fuck off with your homophobia allegations. I can see the harm of gender ideology and it does not make me a bigot.

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 19/08/2025 02:17

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:48

(obviously if 'being honest' means letting your homophobia / transphobia out then you should stay well away from queer people)

How about you put forward your ideas without using the gays and lesbians and bi's.

TheKeatingFive · 19/08/2025 02:49

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:48

(obviously if 'being honest' means letting your homophobia / transphobia out then you should stay well away from queer people)

The biggest advocates against gender woo are my lesbian friends. They have been totally shafted by it.

ThorsRaven · 19/08/2025 03:07

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:33

She could be addressing things like child poverty, she could be helping people like Marcus rashford did. I just find it all quite sad that the elite in this country focus on the divisive rhetoric rather than actually trying to improve things.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've got Rowling and Rashford the wrong way round.

Marcus Rashford was helping himself.

That whole free school meal thing was a PR campaign designed to increase his public profile in order to increase his value. He'd signed with Roc Nation who are a PR firm who are open that they use 'activism' to boost the profile of the celebs on their books.

His PR team were looking for a 'cause' to use to boost his public profile and they found one. And they milked it for all it's worth - he got some good sponsorship deals from the PR campaign. He signed with Nike shortly after IIRC and was doing lots of ads.

After all - who had heard of Rashford before his PR campaign? Football fans, and that's about it. After the campaign, he was a household name.

And what has he been doing since? Has he kept on campaigning for hungry kids? Or has he been doing lucrative sponsorship stuff instead?

As has been remarked:

To understand what was interesting about Rashford, and by extension Roc Nation, you had to go to the trade press, and media companies which focused on sports PR. The Rashford campaign was the subject of huge features in AdWeek and SportsPro, and he won PR Week’s “Communicator of The Year” award. What earned Rashford praise from them wasn’t feeding children. It was the exciting way Roc Nation has fused social justice and sport in order to boost Rashford’s profile, the better for him to serve as a conduit for digital marketing operations, the spread of branded content, and the sale of boxfresh trainers.

The bottom line wasn’t doing good; the bottom line, as SportsPro noted, was that during the campaign, Rashford’s Twitter following had grown by 65%, whereas the total social following of Manchester United — which hasn’t run any political campaigns this summer — had grown a sluggish 8% in the same period. Simon Oliveira, a long-term advisor to David Beckham, labelled Roc Nation’s efforts “genius”.

SOURCE: Who’s behind Marcus Rashford? The combination of social justice, sport and celebrity is a lucrative one | Will Lloyd

This is all in contrast to JKR, who goes around funding childrens charities, rape crisis centres, neurology clinics, etc. for 25 years without much song and dance - she gets on with the work of lobbying and puts her hand in her own pocket:

In the 21 years since Vasek’s story was published Rowling has donated £63 million to Lumos, either directly or via the Harry Potter franchise, helping more than 280,000 children not just in eastern Europe but also Haiti, Colombia and Ukraine. All this and much, much more. The Sunday Times calculates that Rowling has donated almost £200 million to three main causes: Lumos, the Volant Charitable Trust and the Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic. This has happened out of sight. She rarely gives interviews and has never talked about the full scope of her philanthropy before.

SOURCE: JK Rowling: ‘Nobody who hasn’t been poor can understand what it means’ | The Times

Rowling has done far more than Rashford to help others, particularly children, and she has done so consistently over decades, without fanfare.

CurlewKate · 19/08/2025 06:36

@BeeSourianteAgain Thank you. Please can you link to the public trans space you recommend?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/08/2025 06:37

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

Are you not embarrassed to be spouting such nonsense?

One of the reasons why she objects to gender ideology is that it encourages young gay people to transition rather than accept themselves as same sex attracted. She believes that "gender affirming care" is in itself a form of gay conversion therapy.

She has a large number of gay and lesbian friends.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/08/2025 06:43

BeeSourianteAgain · 19/08/2025 01:46

You're posting this in a forum where seething hate of trans people is encouraged 😂Again, it's like going onto Stormfront and asking why people think the KKK is bad.

There's plenty of public trans spaces where you can go and ask this and all you have to do is (a) be honest and (b) not let your homophobia/transphobia out. Hell, before GCs notched the derangement up, I used to have DM conversations with some on Twitter.

Do the people on those other forums know about the £1 million prize money up for grabs or are they equally incapable of proving that she has ever said something transphobic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/08/2025 07:27

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

Mate, this is ridiculous fake news. I’m embarrassed for you.