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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 14:22

goldtrap · 18/08/2025 14:05

I know! That is my whole point! It's vanishingly impossible to score goals what with all the bludgers flying around. So you'd have to score 15 goals to just make it to 150 (15 x 10pt quaffles). Then the other team could have no goals but gets 150 for the Snitch and the game is over. Oh, but is the game over? Because then it's a tie. Or what if the snitch is never caught. The game never ends. It's so stupid. My point is EXACTLY that. All that effort from the team, but catching the Snitch is really the only thing that makes a difference. So you could, for eg, just have a defence and lots of bludgers. That might work. But there is almost NO POINT in any team scoring goals, apart from the seeker catching the snitch.

It's clearly not impossible to score goals, since lots of them are scored over the course of the books. And there is a point to the team scoring goals - the points determine the team's position in the league/cup.

Mmmnotsure · 18/08/2025 14:24

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 14:09

I believe women are women and trans women are trans women. I don't believe they should be excluded from society, but I believe they are trans women.

The work I have done, and continue to do, is to keep the women / female category solely for those born female. This isn't perfect, because as we know, not everyone who is 'assigned female at birth' is actually female. But full DNA testing isn't a possibility in youth and amateur sport. So we generally take people at their word, and only their birth certificate would ever be asked for as proof if there were any serious doubts. Anyone, regardless of gender or sex, is able to compete in an Open category.

Thank you for replying.

Do you believe trans women are male?

Re your involvement in sport, are you in the UK, because if so the percentage of people 'assigned female at birth' not being 'actually female' is so tiny I am surprised it is a consideration.

Now that a birth certificate can be reissued to show the opposite sex to the biological sex of the person holding it, how do you deal with that?

Catiette · 18/08/2025 14:32

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

To address your last line first, what on earth makes you think I'm just engaging to insult people. Please have a look at my posting history (and what makes this site different from the feral Twitter I typically avoid). With a wry smile, I find this line... well, rather insulting.

That aside - or not, as what follows does rely very much on our respective perceptions of what is "insulting"...

I can see some of your points, but not all. My view is that we should always be alert to the possibility of racism, but - particularly with the dilution of critical race theory by well-meaning but confused EDI activists - as a society we've somehow become vulnerable to all of the following errors of thinking:

  1. a clumsily awkward conflation of objective acknowledgement of legitimate difference with prejudice against that difference - returning to primary-school logic, in this context, a) could well be b), but needn't always be b) by definition.

  2. the presumption that adopting a feature of another culture is by definition appropriative and insulting - so-called "cultural appropriation"

  3. a terror of previously safely satirical stereotyping (as an entirely understandable and much-needed backlash against scarily recent and ongoing racist stereotyping)

  4. a presumption of offence

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

I have no issue with this character, based on this. I'd say it falls under

Firstly, 1) recognisably Asian name - not definitively racist and secondly 3)&4) presumption of stereotyping on the basis that this character is Asian

I'd honestly say that I find your own assumption that Cho Chang crying is racist stereotyping more guilty of stereotyping than the character itself: you're the one presuming that a minor character's occasional appearances as a distressed love interest may be cynically perceived as in some way "representative" of a particular cultural tendency (I'm assuming diligent Asian schoolgirls? unsure...)

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

As for my comment above.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

More with you on this one - always thought so. I felt the same way about Merry and Pippin in the the Lord of the Rings franchise (although, while this was far more extreme, I don't think Peter Jackson received the same condemnation?) The difference between this and the two examples above is, I think, that Seamus is erring on comic caricature. Although I also think I need to reread the books to avoid conflating them with the films in this respect.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

I like the colour-blind nature of Hogwarts. I didn't really consider who may or may not be black. I can see the argument for making this more explicit, though. But how?

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Actually, yes – I'm not being facetious. Haven’t a clue what the issue is, whether because I don’t know my Potter well enough or I may not view there as being an issue.

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

OK - another caricature. But I think I'd put this under 3) and 4) on balance. I find it very sad that modern woke culture labels playful stereotyping of German and French culture as racist. There's a fine line, and it's nuanced as heck, but it's there. Remove it and we seek to remove something that's very necessary to our humanity and society: like it or not, we do seek membership of one group and enjoy mocking another. I think the issue is there there's a power imbalance, and there isn't between the British and French. Bring on the British character in French teen fiction called Le Bif Steck!

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Tenuous as heck - this is, to me, very much 4), looking for offence. Be alert to the possibility,but don't presume without evidence. That would risk engaging in prejudice yourself.

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

This is one I want to look into more. My current impression is that it's an unevidenced bad-faith slur on Rowling that 1) conflates the films and her books (again, I'd ask for quotes from the books, esp. re. the goblins' appearance) & 2) disregards the entire mythology of the goblin, which may have been exploited for anti-semitic purposes at points because of certain coincicidental overlaps between prejudiced stereotypes and the goblin archetype, but wasn't originally such, to the best of my knowledge.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

I didn't know this. But are you seriously saying that you believe the character of Lupin could increase stigma against AIDs sufferers?! As with Cho Chang above, I actually find your attitude here, and the societal trends it reflects, somewhat disturbing. Yes, we need to be alert to and fight against injustice. But when doing so turns into dismissing someone else's well-intentioned attempt to do exactly the same as being in some way phobic, or taking metaphor too literally, as a result of your own assumptions and preconceptions, you're embarking on very dangerous path that, itself, risks blundering into bigotry. To come full circle, I think it risks leading to the point of view underlying your line asking me not to insult you - an unjustifed readiness to presume bad faith intent, presuming something wholly unfounded about an individual, presumably based on the forum on which I post.

That attitude is, I think, not reflective of the values you seek to uphold.

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PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 18/08/2025 14:33

goldtrap · 18/08/2025 14:05

I know! That is my whole point! It's vanishingly impossible to score goals what with all the bludgers flying around. So you'd have to score 15 goals to just make it to 150 (15 x 10pt quaffles). Then the other team could have no goals but gets 150 for the Snitch and the game is over. Oh, but is the game over? Because then it's a tie. Or what if the snitch is never caught. The game never ends. It's so stupid. My point is EXACTLY that. All that effort from the team, but catching the Snitch is really the only thing that makes a difference. So you could, for eg, just have a defence and lots of bludgers. That might work. But there is almost NO POINT in any team scoring goals, apart from the seeker catching the snitch.

That's why its clever IMO. If you're the seeker you need to keep track of how many points each team has. If the other team are 160 points up, and you see the snitch do you catch it and end the game, but lose. Or try and distract the other seeker so they can't catch it either?

It does mention in one of the books that the longest game on record lasted 3 months.

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 14:42

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 11:53

I think people must forget that JK Rowling is a person. Being a multimillionaire doesn't strip her of her right to an opinion, or to a twitter account for that matter. If people don't like reading what she has to say, they can unfollow/block her.

And if she's as awful as some would have us believe, surely most people would have done that by now? And thus, problem solved - platform gone! But obviously, that hasn't happened. She's sold about 650 million books, and she has 14 million followers. Can it be the case that all of those 14 million people are hateful bigots? Or is it possible that some are reasonable people who happen to agree with her, at least in part?

I've followed her for a long time because of her books, so I read her initial tweets and essay when they happened. Her language was a lot more careful and balanced then, it's true. She is coarser now, less timid, more blunt. A lot of people have brought this attitude shift up as a kind of gotcha - you said you'd march with trans people! You wouldn't now! And they're right, but I don't think it's a gotcha. With every dick pic, doxx, and death threat, she ran out of a few more fucks to give, and I don't blame her at all.

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I think that for a long time she was expected to be everyone's mum, partly because vulnerable people were so invested in the universe she created.

However, I suspect she came to the conclusion that this wasn't a healthy relationship for anyone.

goldtrap · 18/08/2025 14:44

Ah, I've found an actual quote by JKR herself. (Since the OP asked for quotes)
She invented Quidditch after a row with her boyfriend. She recognised that the game 'infuriates men, in my experience (why is the Snitch so valuable etc) which is quite satisfying given my state of mind when I invented it.'

Ha. Well, it also infuriates me, and I'm not a bloke.

So on that basis, and because I found a quote (it's her annotation at the start of chapter 11 of HP&thePS, auctioned at Sotheby's in 2013, if I'm citing my references), I hereby present evidence that JKR is 'awful' (to have attempted to piss off men, but ended up annoying me. Not a man. Where's the solidarity, now, JK?)

OldCrone · 18/08/2025 14:46

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 10:23

It was all around 2 years ago. It's all on twitter so feel free to find it. But no, I am not posting links to my personal twitter on here, and I don't have time to trawl through a few years of tweets from very very tweety people.

JKR was one of many who jumped on the bandwagon of doxing a close friend of mine as she had previously held a job they didn't agree with (literally just an E&D role in a charity where she had been in post when they released a pride flag badge, that is all). JKR at least had the guts to delete her posts when told the information she had was 100% incorrect (that my friend was a trans woman, not born a woman. Apparently pregnancy and child birth weren't enough for others to withdraw their tweets and videos). Others didn't, even when it led to friends children being bullied.

It was all around 2 years ago. It's all on twitter so feel free to find it. But no, I am not posting links to my personal twitter on here, and I don't have time to trawl through a few years of tweets from very very tweety people.

You don't have time to find something you claim is there, but you assume I have time to find something for which there is no evidence that it actually exists. And I'm not on twitter so I'd never be able to find it anyway. I'll take this as proof that the comments you attribute to JKR were never actually made by her.

If you have evidence you need to post it, not tell people to find it themselves.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 14:55

I do find it a little odd that on a thread asking for evidence of JKR being a dangerous and unpleasant person, the only things which have been evidenced are plot holes and some era-typical stereotyping in a series of fantasy books she wrote…..

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 15:03

OldCrone · 18/08/2025 14:46

It was all around 2 years ago. It's all on twitter so feel free to find it. But no, I am not posting links to my personal twitter on here, and I don't have time to trawl through a few years of tweets from very very tweety people.

You don't have time to find something you claim is there, but you assume I have time to find something for which there is no evidence that it actually exists. And I'm not on twitter so I'd never be able to find it anyway. I'll take this as proof that the comments you attribute to JKR were never actually made by her.

If you have evidence you need to post it, not tell people to find it themselves.

They're all so sure it exists, yet never able to post a link to it themselves. Ever.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 15:15

Catiette · 18/08/2025 14:32

To address your last line first, what on earth makes you think I'm just engaging to insult people. Please have a look at my posting history (and what makes this site different from the feral Twitter I typically avoid). With a wry smile, I find this line... well, rather insulting.

That aside - or not, as what follows does rely very much on our respective perceptions of what is "insulting"...

I can see some of your points, but not all. My view is that we should always be alert to the possibility of racism, but - particularly with the dilution of critical race theory by well-meaning but confused EDI activists - as a society we've somehow become vulnerable to all of the following errors of thinking:

  1. a clumsily awkward conflation of objective acknowledgement of legitimate difference with prejudice against that difference - returning to primary-school logic, in this context, a) could well be b), but needn't always be b) by definition.

  2. the presumption that adopting a feature of another culture is by definition appropriative and insulting - so-called "cultural appropriation"

  3. a terror of previously safely satirical stereotyping (as an entirely understandable and much-needed backlash against scarily recent and ongoing racist stereotyping)

  4. a presumption of offence

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

I have no issue with this character, based on this. I'd say it falls under

Firstly, 1) recognisably Asian name - not definitively racist and secondly 3)&4) presumption of stereotyping on the basis that this character is Asian

I'd honestly say that I find your own assumption that Cho Chang crying is racist stereotyping more guilty of stereotyping than the character itself: you're the one presuming that a minor character's occasional appearances as a distressed love interest may be cynically perceived as in some way "representative" of a particular cultural tendency (I'm assuming diligent Asian schoolgirls? unsure...)

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

As for my comment above.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

More with you on this one - always thought so. I felt the same way about Merry and Pippin in the the Lord of the Rings franchise (although, while this was far more extreme, I don't think Peter Jackson received the same condemnation?) The difference between this and the two examples above is, I think, that Seamus is erring on comic caricature. Although I also think I need to reread the books to avoid conflating them with the films in this respect.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

I like the colour-blind nature of Hogwarts. I didn't really consider who may or may not be black. I can see the argument for making this more explicit, though. But how?

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Actually, yes – I'm not being facetious. Haven’t a clue what the issue is, whether because I don’t know my Potter well enough or I may not view there as being an issue.

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

OK - another caricature. But I think I'd put this under 3) and 4) on balance. I find it very sad that modern woke culture labels playful stereotyping of German and French culture as racist. There's a fine line, and it's nuanced as heck, but it's there. Remove it and we seek to remove something that's very necessary to our humanity and society: like it or not, we do seek membership of one group and enjoy mocking another. I think the issue is there there's a power imbalance, and there isn't between the British and French. Bring on the British character in French teen fiction called Le Bif Steck!

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Tenuous as heck - this is, to me, very much 4), looking for offence. Be alert to the possibility,but don't presume without evidence. That would risk engaging in prejudice yourself.

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

This is one I want to look into more. My current impression is that it's an unevidenced bad-faith slur on Rowling that 1) conflates the films and her books (again, I'd ask for quotes from the books, esp. re. the goblins' appearance) & 2) disregards the entire mythology of the goblin, which may have been exploited for anti-semitic purposes at points because of certain coincicidental overlaps between prejudiced stereotypes and the goblin archetype, but wasn't originally such, to the best of my knowledge.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

I didn't know this. But are you seriously saying that you believe the character of Lupin could increase stigma against AIDs sufferers?! As with Cho Chang above, I actually find your attitude here, and the societal trends it reflects, somewhat disturbing. Yes, we need to be alert to and fight against injustice. But when doing so turns into dismissing someone else's well-intentioned attempt to do exactly the same as being in some way phobic, or taking metaphor too literally, as a result of your own assumptions and preconceptions, you're embarking on very dangerous path that, itself, risks blundering into bigotry. To come full circle, I think it risks leading to the point of view underlying your line asking me not to insult you - an unjustifed readiness to presume bad faith intent, presuming something wholly unfounded about an individual, presumably based on the forum on which I post.

That attitude is, I think, not reflective of the values you seek to uphold.

bigotry
noun [ U ]
the fact of having and expressing strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life

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I think the great irony is that JK Rowling was having a go at being inclusive back in the 90s when nobody was that interested in diversity and inclusion.

She was writing before the days of sensitivity readers, in the very early days she was writing without even the internet to guide her, and she had a pretty good go at representing different ethnicities, backgrounds and religions, as well as people with disabilities and visible differences.

OK, maybe some of it comes across as a bit clumsy now, in 2025. And of course no other children's author from the early 1990s has been anywhere near as successful or political as her, so their books aren't coming under the same scrutiny. But I remember most of the children's books I read being pretty much exclusively about white people. I'd put the Harry Potter books in the same category as, for example, Janet and Allan Ahlberg. Mostly pretty white, but had a go at diversity and inclusion before diversity and inclusion was really a thing.

Her Cormoran Strike series does a much better job of representing human diversity IMO, and that's what she's writing now, rather than 30 years ago.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 15:15

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 15:03

They're all so sure it exists, yet never able to post a link to it themselves. Ever.

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Apparently I am ‘disgusting’ because I asked for proof and just enjoy distressing people because I don’t believe things without proof 🙄

Bannedontherun · 18/08/2025 15:19

@justteanbiscuits

Hi J K Rowling here you are a big fibber.😉

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 15:26

Bannedontherun · 18/08/2025 15:19

@justteanbiscuits

Hi J K Rowling here you are a big fibber.😉

😂😂

deadpan · 18/08/2025 15:31

Justteanbiscuits surely if you're born female you are female or are you referring to trans men? Who are still female. They aren't allowed in the female sporting category if they take testosterone. If you're referring to dsd's most if not all are conditions that only happen to one sex or the other, therefore it's incredibly easy to see which sex a baby is if external features aren't conclusive.
I love how there's a group of grown women on here talking about the pros and cons of Quidditch 😂

PachacutisBadAuntie · 18/08/2025 15:32

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/08/2025 13:16

Are these supposed to be bad things she's done?! 🤔

Setting up a rape crisis centre. What a baddie she is. /s

P.s. Maya won her case because her views and the expression of the are WORIADS. HTH

@theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw that'll learn you to use quotation marks 😁

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 15:36

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:28

I don’t think she’s as awful as a lot of people seem to.

I just think it’s kind of sad. She has so much money, and she spends all her time on such a minuscule issue compared to what the country is facing. She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t.

You think defending women's rights and helping abused and marginalized women is a minuscule issue?

WarriorN · 18/08/2025 15:37

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:28

I don’t think she’s as awful as a lot of people seem to.

I just think it’s kind of sad. She has so much money, and she spends all her time on such a minuscule issue compared to what the country is facing. She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t.

I’ve not read the full thread but that’s where ppl are very wrong.

She’s set up a few really important charities; Lumos and also a centre for MS support in Scotland. And latterly beira’s place, for women suffering DV and sexual abuse.

bumbaloo · 18/08/2025 15:38

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

Well she clearly doesn’t spend all her time doing what you suggest as she’s spending a whole lot of time doing all the other stuff you acknowledge she does 🫤

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 15:38

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

She can't be spending all her time there, as she still finds time to write very successful novels and to fulfill all her philanthropic commitments.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 15:41

Mmmnotsure · 18/08/2025 14:24

Thank you for replying.

Do you believe trans women are male?

Re your involvement in sport, are you in the UK, because if so the percentage of people 'assigned female at birth' not being 'actually female' is so tiny I am surprised it is a consideration.

Now that a birth certificate can be reissued to show the opposite sex to the biological sex of the person holding it, how do you deal with that?

As I said, I believe trans women are trans women. I think there is space for people to be able to identify as a trans woman or a trans man. Entirely separate from being a male or a female.

I don't believe the vast majority of transwomen are a threat to women. I believe, however, that predatory men are a huge threat, and they could pretend to be trans in order to make women unsafe. (caveat being there are evil, dangerous people out regardless of sex, or gender, or identity. Some people are just bad people)

I think anyone who has gone through male puberty has a natural benefit for sport, and as such, it is important to have separate categories for the majority of sports. Whatever anyone hormones level are at that moment time, puberty itself grows bone and muscle strength that isn't lost.

I believe transwomen have their own experiences, but they are not the experiences of a woman, and they should not speak for women. A trans woman who came out as an adult, for example, has not faced the sexual harassment that comes of being a teen girl. They haven't, and never will, experience bleeding every month and the stigma that comes with it. There are many experiences that are unique to being female, and that needs protecting.

But, having a friend who is over 6ft, short haired and large chested, who wears heavy make up, and isn't traditionally attractive, who has been harassed and abused many time for "being a man", I worry about the 'vigilantes' out there who feel they have the right to police the toilets. I don't think so called collateral damage is acceptable.

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 15:43

Viviennemary · 18/08/2025 09:15

I agree. I'm not in favour of trans people taking part in sport in women teams. I'm totally against it, But her anti trans stand borders on hatred which isnt acceptable.

She is only human. Is she supposed to be some kind of saint? Given the amount of hatred, vilification, death threats etc she has received on a daily basis for the crime of standing up for women, is it really surprising the milk of human kindness has soured in her a little? Would any of us react differently? Would we expect a man to forgive his slanderers seventy times seven and continue to be all sweetness and light? Let the woman be human!

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 15:43

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 15:36

You think defending women's rights and helping abused and marginalized women is a minuscule issue?

"She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t."

Am also interested in this comment, which seems to go back to the expectation that she should be a magical blend of political leader and mother.

I know she had to tell people that Corbyn isn't Dumbledore, but perhaps she also needed to tell them that she isn't either.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 15:47

OldCrone · 18/08/2025 14:46

It was all around 2 years ago. It's all on twitter so feel free to find it. But no, I am not posting links to my personal twitter on here, and I don't have time to trawl through a few years of tweets from very very tweety people.

You don't have time to find something you claim is there, but you assume I have time to find something for which there is no evidence that it actually exists. And I'm not on twitter so I'd never be able to find it anyway. I'll take this as proof that the comments you attribute to JKR were never actually made by her.

If you have evidence you need to post it, not tell people to find it themselves.

I have said, repeatedly, that I don't want to post something that contains personal information, especially about the friend. That is my choice.

There is also, as far as I am aware, no way to show what has been deleted.

And as I have repeatedly said, I'm not bothered by whether you believe me or not. That is not why I posted. But the harder you all push for "proof" the less you actually have to understand that she may not be perfect. And because I don't believe she is a perfect angel, and have dared to say so, I am accused of being a liar.. any moment now someone will accuse me of "probably being a man".

As a human I can care about a cause, without worshipping everyone associated with that cause.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 15:49

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 15:47

I have said, repeatedly, that I don't want to post something that contains personal information, especially about the friend. That is my choice.

There is also, as far as I am aware, no way to show what has been deleted.

And as I have repeatedly said, I'm not bothered by whether you believe me or not. That is not why I posted. But the harder you all push for "proof" the less you actually have to understand that she may not be perfect. And because I don't believe she is a perfect angel, and have dared to say so, I am accused of being a liar.. any moment now someone will accuse me of "probably being a man".

As a human I can care about a cause, without worshipping everyone associated with that cause.

I don’t think anyone is saying she is a “perfect angel”. But surely you can see that you can’t just accuse somebody of doing bad things without providing evidence?

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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 18/08/2025 15:51

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 14:55

I do find it a little odd that on a thread asking for evidence of JKR being a dangerous and unpleasant person, the only things which have been evidenced are plot holes and some era-typical stereotyping in a series of fantasy books she wrote…..

We know what she did. She supported Forstater, she mocked language like
"people who menstruate", she stated that biological sex is real and important, she drew attention to male violence, she described [gender] as an ideology that is harmful to children, and described the term cisgender as "ideological language signifying belief in the unfalsifiable concept of gender identity." She opposes self-ID, opposed the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill, and donated £70,000 to FWS. She founded a sexual assault crisis centre for women, that excludes transwomen. She opposed the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021, and deliberately misgendered several transwomen in order to test it.

She doesn't just say things, she does things. And they're all based on the existence of women as a sex class with unique political interests which are irrelevant to transwomen.

She's untouchable enough to carry on doing it, and TRAs are furious. You won't get any sense out of them here because what they call hate is just a refusal to believe in their unscientific bullshit.

HTH

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