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Richard Coles embarrassing himself

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/08/2025 18:08

Why do these mediocre men need to keep speaking? You’d think this was written by a 12 year old, who uses the word ‘baddie’ ffs? 🤦‍♀️ It’s so full of virtue signalling, ‘look at me with all these young people showing them how cool I am’ it’s absolutely tragic.

Richard Coles embarrassing himself
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iseethembloom · 22/08/2025 17:20

I read his book about grief and have never disliked a book more than I disliked this. The review is quite lengthy (on Amazon) and is one of the very few one-star reviews, if you’re interested.

Timeforabitofpeace · 22/08/2025 18:05

@littlebitofbreadOver 60 a joke is it? You’re no feminist.

LittleBitofBread · 22/08/2025 18:07

Timeforabitofpeace · 22/08/2025 18:05

@littlebitofbreadOver 60 a joke is it? You’re no feminist.

I fear you haven't understood me.

DworkinWasRight · 22/08/2025 18:35

LittleBitofBread · 22/08/2025 15:56

I haven't actually looked at the comments on Twitter. I presume he got a roasting?
I think he thought (misguidedly) that he could make some gentle points about generational differences and friendship despite them, mention one of the figures that in his experience younger people are discussing, sit on the fence about it, and that would be the end of that.
I will miss him on Twitter.

Yes, that’s exactly what he was doing. So many people on social media are absolutely hopeless at discerning nuance or tone of voice, though.

Mapletree1985 · 22/08/2025 18:40

iseethembloom · 22/08/2025 17:20

I read his book about grief and have never disliked a book more than I disliked this. The review is quite lengthy (on Amazon) and is one of the very few one-star reviews, if you’re interested.

I'm very interested, but can't read it without an Amazon account. Which I don't have.

LittleBitofBread · 22/08/2025 18:48

Mapletree1985 · 22/08/2025 18:40

I'm very interested, but can't read it without an Amazon account. Which I don't have.

Hard copy ? from the library?

iseethembloom · 22/08/2025 19:04

Mapletree1985 · 22/08/2025 18:40

I'm very interested, but can't read it without an Amazon account. Which I don't have.

Go to Amazon.co.uk

Search ‘The Madness of Grief’

Filter one-star reviews. The one by PaleFire is my review.

He came through the page as absolutely tone-deaf and insensitive.

Lins77 · 22/08/2025 20:50

He's 63, hardly elderly. Not even pension age 😭

Mapletree1985 · 23/08/2025 04:21

I can only access a sampling of reviews (all 4 or 5 stars) without an account.

Mapletree1985 · 23/08/2025 04:21

LittleBitofBread · 22/08/2025 18:48

Hard copy ? from the library?

I want to read the review, not the book.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/08/2025 04:59

I can’t see the issue. He’s not endorsing any (misguided) antagonism towards JKR. He’s just commenting neutrally on young people as he finds them.

Shedmistress · 23/08/2025 07:04

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/08/2025 04:59

I can’t see the issue. He’s not endorsing any (misguided) antagonism towards JKR. He’s just commenting neutrally on young people as he finds them.

Stating that all the young people he was out with think a certain author is a baddie isn't 'neutral'.

If I inferred you were a baddie in a completely unrelated thread, you'd be rightly asking 'what's that got to do with anything'.

Cinaferna · 23/08/2025 07:04

ThatCyanSheep · 17/08/2025 18:30

What I find bizarre is how he can sit there as a rich celebrity and think it’s a good thing the younger generation don’t think they’ll ever buy a house

Does he think it's a good thing?

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/08/2025 07:53

Shedmistress · 23/08/2025 07:04

Stating that all the young people he was out with think a certain author is a baddie isn't 'neutral'.

If I inferred you were a baddie in a completely unrelated thread, you'd be rightly asking 'what's that got to do with anything'.

I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean that Coles is wrong to generalise? Or that it’s not true that the young think badly of JKR? Or something else?

FWIW, I take ‘baddie’ to be a sort of pantomime description, as in ‘goodies and baddies’. I don’t think it carries much force.

GallantKumquat · 23/08/2025 09:19

LittleBitofBread · 22/08/2025 18:07

I fear you haven't understood me.

"because any form of subtlety or understatement gets you misinterpreted by someone."
😬

iseethembloom · 23/08/2025 15:01

Mapletree1985 · 23/08/2025 04:21

I want to read the review, not the book.

Go to Amazon.co.uk

Search ‘The Madness of Grief’

Filter one-star reviews. The one by PaleFire is my review.

He came through the page as absolutely tone-deaf and insensitive.

DworkinWasRight · 23/08/2025 15:28

Here's PaleFire's review, for anyone who can't access Amazon:
This memoir provides unstinting detail of the writer’s privilege from the outset. As early as page four, the writer speaks of his 50th birthday present – “a summer house… and it is lovely, very Homes and Gardens, piled high with cushions and pillows, fitted with a sound system and a wood burner”. These details of ease and pleasure abound, and may be more than a little jarring for readers expecting instead to encounter details of how to survive a great loss. The book, in fact, reeks of privilege. Very soon after, on page ten, we are told that “David hates the winter and it [the annual cruise] gets us to the Caribbean, where we have a week on a beach, while England is at its grimmest. We have ten days on board first which David adores.”

The Reverend is most at home writing about earthly pleasures – of which there are many – especially to the detriment of writing about his own (or his partner’s) spiritual wellbeing, and it was this that most disappointed me about the memoir.

Further examples come thick and fast – on page 16, we have David’s “wildly extravagant purchasing in souks”. On page 25 we hear of the cars, “I have one but David had three: his own car, a Land Rover, and a vintage Morris Minor”. It often seemed that Mr Cole was keen to pass off the self-indulgent elements of the couple’s lifestyle as belonging more to David than to himself. Easy to do when David has no editorial input or right of reply. Hence, we learn there is no Lynx Africa for David, whose scent is, of course, Jo Malone. It is David who “would spend a fortune on Welsh blankets” in Hay-on-Wye. There’s more spending, as the five dogs each have a Christmas stocking filled no doubt with tasteful, expensive treats. The dogs get a lot of attention, and one of them is “the gift of an eccentric millionaire… we were living in Knightsbridge at the time” (when not living in Islington, p131), and “his PA phoned to tell us that a car would pick up David”. The couple visit a Bellini opera at Covent Garden, albeit as “guests of a generous friend with a box”. On and on and on it goes, until it becomes a grotesque parody of monied metropolitan life. Occasionally the metropolitan stuff is tempered with references to the hunting-shooting-fishing country set, “Piers and Paula were the only people I had every met who played polo”.

The absurd self-satisfaction, the smugness and the narrowness of the social circle made this a challenging read.

For example, Mr Coles seems pleased with himself for visiting a retail park where he “went to buy gifts, lavish gifts… for the nurses in ICU”. I chuckled when these most “lavish” of gifts turned out not to be John Lewis giftcards, but tubes of handcream. So, a privileged wealthy white man buys hard-working (presumably) poorer women “luxury hand cream due to the chapping nature of their calling”.

It's details like this that creep through that are most revealing. The Reverend does not pop to his nearest offy, but (on p.104), “Stopped at Waitrose and bought expensive wine”. Along with wine, there is more of gravy than the grave about this memoir, and we are treated to details of the ups and downs of the Reverend’s appetite. The Full English Breakfast, on leaving hospital, post mortem, has “meaty sausages, crispy bacon and fried bread”. Mr Coles reveals he “had a running battle [with David] about the place of lardons in an Italian ragu”. His “Indian takeaways for supper” are “an unfailingly effective treat”, and so on.

For anyone expective a more soulful, sorrowful, expansive reaction to bereavement, in the manner of CS Lewis’ A Grief Observed, or Justine Picardy’s If the Spirit Moves You, I can’t emphasise enough how much this book will disappoint.

As other reviews here mention, there are frequent references to the great and the good – to ‘doing’ the funeral for fashion designer Alexander McQueen; Christmas with Earl Spencer, and when “dining with friends” it turns out that Jamie Cullum was among the company. Name dropping though, for me, was far from the most irksome thing about the memoir. It’s passages like this:

“It is hard to think of anything more English than standing in Waitrose in Eastbourne, the object of distanced sympathy, by people buying forced rhubarb and salsify”.

I have lived in England for the 51 years of my life, and this is not my experience or understanding of England. My flavour of England is food banks and wet precincts, but I suppose this is how privilege works: the Reverend has drifted so far from the ordinary mass of people, he no longer has any grip of how ridiculous his book comes across to the vast ranks of people beyond his elite social sphere.

Finally, to the work of comedian Stuart Lee, always supremely aware, endlessly creative and brilliantly incisive. The Top Gear sketch is now famous, and contains these lines,

“He [Richard Hammond] had that crash and then he wrote a book about it, On the Edge, and it sold millions. And I just think there’s something a little bit undignified about all these celebrities writing these cash-in books about some dreadful thing that happens to them…. To the point where I wouldn’t be surprised if, when he was hanging upside down waiting to be rescued, he wasn’t thinking to himself, ‘Oooh, I hope I’m quite badly injured in this! Then I can do a book about it. It’ll sell loads!”

If and when the Reverend revisits this sketch, I hope he cringes. I noted the RRP of the book was £16.99 but there was no charitable element – no banner on the cover saying, for each book sold, £1 will go to Cruse, the bereavement charity’. Clearly, this was a cash-in book written by a minor celebrity, of the kind identified by Stuart Lee. It would never have been considered for publication had it been written by an ordinary civilian. The reasons are obvious: it’s not that good and has little of substance to say about recovering from bereavement.

To pen a book for profit, while name dropping continuously, and pushing acquisitive characteristics onto the departed, all in the name of grief, meant that, for me, this was a most unseemly, difficult read.

CurlewKate · 23/08/2025 18:32

@DworkinWasRight(I agree with you about Dworkin, by the way) I think that is a very unfair and very selective review. Yes, he’s a middle class man and lives a very middle class life style, but he writes very movingly about his husband and living with addiction and the grieving process.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/08/2025 18:37

I think that review is overwritten and up itself, to be frank.

iseethembloom · 23/08/2025 18:54

CurlewKate · 23/08/2025 18:32

@DworkinWasRight(I agree with you about Dworkin, by the way) I think that is a very unfair and very selective review. Yes, he’s a middle class man and lives a very middle class life style, but he writes very movingly about his husband and living with addiction and the grieving process.

I read every page of that book and could barely find any mention of his sorrow or the existential questions that a close bereavement usually evokes. I bought it in good faith, hoping to be consoled. As I said, I didn’t skim it but read the whole thing and not even in a hurry. It was mainly about the lifestyle he and his husband enjoyed.

That was my opinion, ‘up itself’ or not.

iseethembloom · 23/08/2025 18:56

CurlewKate · 23/08/2025 18:32

@DworkinWasRight(I agree with you about Dworkin, by the way) I think that is a very unfair and very selective review. Yes, he’s a middle class man and lives a very middle class life style, but he writes very movingly about his husband and living with addiction and the grieving process.

Genuine question. Where does he write ‘movingly’? (Cos it wasn’t in this book.). I’ve just lost a husband myself - Jan this year - so I’m interested.

LittleBitofBread · 24/08/2025 09:59

Shedmistress · 23/08/2025 07:04

Stating that all the young people he was out with think a certain author is a baddie isn't 'neutral'.

If I inferred you were a baddie in a completely unrelated thread, you'd be rightly asking 'what's that got to do with anything'.

What it has to do with is that he was talking about the differences between him and these people.
I don’t know why people are finding this so hard to comprehend.

LittleBitofBread · 24/08/2025 10:01

Mapletree1985 · 23/08/2025 04:21

I want to read the review, not the book.

Ah, I see, sorry

DworkinWasRight · 24/08/2025 10:04

I quite enjoyed the book, but I was a bit surprised to see a man of the cloth focusing so much on material pleasures rather than spiritual matters.

LittleBitofBread · 24/08/2025 10:05

GallantKumquat · 23/08/2025 09:19

"because any form of subtlety or understatement gets you misinterpreted by someone."
😬

In this case, though I wasn’t even trying to be subtle or understated. I wasn’t even talking about the real subject of the thread. I was commenting on someone else using the word ‘elderly’ about him when he’s in his early 60s.
This whole thread is weird though. I feel like we’re all talking at cross-purposes.