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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kate Forbes makes them feel unsafe…

51 replies

Cismyfatarse · 13/08/2025 20:50

Shona Robison urges ‘tolerance’ after gender-critical row at Fringe. Apparently, tiny Kate, Deputy FM of Scotland made the ickle tiny fragile TAs feel “unsafe”. Honestly, they are so ridiculous. Thankfully the debate about similar no platforming is really hitting the press and exposing all their folly and faux fragility.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/89a9f333-8c3f-4a5f-807b-d6228f85ad52?shareToken=7fd685b2acb7804e24b19bc90ba01b18

Shona Robison urges ‘tolerance’ after gender-critical row at Fringe

The finance secretary was commenting on a festival event at Summerhall involving Kate Forbes, who voiced her opinions on trans rights, leaving staff ‘terrified’

https://www.thetimes.com/article/89a9f333-8c3f-4a5f-807b-d6228f85ad52?shareToken=7fd685b2acb7804e24b19bc90ba01b18

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ArabellaScott · 13/08/2025 21:19

'Summerhall staff set up a “safe zone” to protect themselves from the 5ft 2in politician after staff were “terrified” by her presence and managers have since apologised for allowing her on site.'

Bwahahaha!

DuesToTheDirt · 13/08/2025 21:19

Bunch of tosspots wimps. The battle might have been won, but the war really isn't over yet.

SionnachRuadh · 13/08/2025 21:35

Jeepers! If th'yon wee cuddy makes them feel unsafe then they must be the most fragile and vulnerable craiturs in existence.

NotMyRealAccount · 13/08/2025 21:36

Crikey! Whatever magical aura of scariness Kate Forbes has, I want some of it for my personal use.

letsallchant · 13/08/2025 21:41

Terrified. But no one can feel 'unsafe' with six foot broad shouldered trans women in the Ladies cos bigotry.

SionnachRuadh · 13/08/2025 21:45

I think she has honed her magical powers by observing the Sabbath and speaking that strange heathen language they have up in the Hielans. She certainly seems able to scare Scotland's most absurd people.

UnpaintedLily · 13/08/2025 21:53

I've heard a fair amount about sleepwalking into fascism over the past couple of years, yet between this and the NLS censorship it feels more as if I've strayed into a fictional dystopia.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 13/08/2025 21:55

staff who are ‘terrified’ by a 5’2’’ female elected politician are I would suggest not good candidates for public facing jobs.

organisations really need to stop taking this bobbins seriously. The correct reply to revelations of terror was ‘I’m sorry to hear that Tarquin. Have you replenished the Irn Bru in the bar fridge?’

InterrobangsArePureBias · 13/08/2025 22:06

SionnachRuadh · 13/08/2025 21:35

Jeepers! If th'yon wee cuddy makes them feel unsafe then they must be the most fragile and vulnerable craiturs in existence.

monsters inc kids GIF

They envisage something like this.

OutsideNetty · 13/08/2025 22:21

Mwahahaha. Summerhall Fringe staffed by student vols? The same types who cancelled Gerry Sadowitz at the Pleasance because they didn't feel safe?

The Fringe is an exploitative, up its own arse anachronism. Some of the most po-faced, bureaucratic, virtue-signalling smuggers I've had the misfortune to deal with reside in its layers of luvvie management.

One day someone will do an honest audit of the Fringe Festival. Who am I kidding? Campervans all round!

Toseland · 13/08/2025 22:26

I wonder what exactly they have been up to, to be so terrified?

HobnobsChoice · 13/08/2025 22:27

Safe has absolutely no meaning anymore. If as a student in the 90s you went out and didn't feel safe it was generally because there was an actual real threat of being hurt or mugged. You wouldn't walk down a dark alley alone with your wallet out because it wasn't safe. Safe appears now to mean "absolutely not having to step outside an ideological bubble"

NeverOneBiscuit · 13/08/2025 22:47

A safe zone, my arse. Is that a padded room with ear defenders & tinkly music playing, to block out the words of literal violence coming from a woman’s mouth?

They really are the most pathetic, indulged, navel gazing bunch of misfits & foot stompers. I’d make them work down a coal mine for 6 months, give them something to actually complain about.

Igneococcus · 14/08/2025 08:10

Summerhall has only very recently secured it's future (for the next years at least) as an events and arts space. I'm not sure its long term survival is helped by throwing a tantrum over having the deputy first minister of Scotland doing an event there.

Lins77 · 14/08/2025 08:22

So ridiculous. I can't think of a single public figure, however profoundly I disagreed with or even loathed their views, whose presence at an event would make me feel "unsafe" unless they were an actual physical threat.

FKAT · 14/08/2025 08:27

Faking fear is a tactic of abusive males - similar to suicide threats. My father used to claim he (a near 6ft man with a history of violence, ex-Army, served several prison sentences) was scared of me and my mum. It's classic DARVO. It gives them an excuse for their behaviour.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 14/08/2025 08:30

This is so strange.

People who are so timid and scared also go round hurling abuse and making threats?
What a strange kind of scared.

Perhaps its the male entitlement version.

Igmum · 14/08/2025 08:31

It’s ridiculous but it also directly threatens our freedom of speech and without that we would not be in a good place. If a venue or a festival want public funding they should obey the law of the land and the law of the land says that you cannot cancel a speaker for having views you dislike.

NeverOneBiscuit · 14/08/2025 08:39

When I was at university Enoch Powell was invited to the Student Union to speak. Obviously it was a very polarising event. I went along because he was such a controversial figure that I wanted to hear the debate. I didn’t share his views but that didn’t make me feel unsafe in the same room.

What did make me nervous was the students lining the entrance screaming Scab in the face of those entering, & the group of young men (found later not to be students) who rushed the stage. The speaker was bodily removed before a word was uttered.

nutmeg7 · 14/08/2025 08:41

They feel unsafe because of the ideas that are being spoken (you can’t change sex, you are not really a woman etc). Their fragile mental construction of the world (in which men can really be women in some mysterious way) cannot cope with the presence of other ideas - if it is accepted that you can’t actually change sex, that whole worldview has to collapse.

So I think they are “terrified” of hearing anything said or written that challenges their beliefs because they know they are not rooted in material reality.

It probably is psychologically terrifying to encounter an idea or fact that shakes the foundation of your belief system, or voices things you know to be true but are keeping hidden from yourself.

They then express this as being “terrified” of the person who is saying those things, when that person is no possible physical threat to them, and so they seem ridiculous.

Their real fear is of hearing things they know to be true.

RedToothBrush · 14/08/2025 08:49

They need a safe zone to hide from the words of a 5'2" woman

I demand women who don't feel safe around males (Inc transwomen) are granted theirs with ensuite (due to numbers). We could call it 'The Ladies'.

This seems fair and reason. If we don't get it, why are we being discriminated against and not being treated equally for our right to a safe room to hide?

Abhannmor · 14/08/2025 08:57

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2025 21:19

'Summerhall staff set up a “safe zone” to protect themselves from the 5ft 2in politician after staff were “terrified” by her presence and managers have since apologised for allowing her on site.'

Bwahahaha!

The only way Kate would make me feel unsafe is if she was marching down the street in a bowler hat and orange sash . Even then I'd not be terrified.

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 09:01

FKAT · 14/08/2025 08:27

Faking fear is a tactic of abusive males - similar to suicide threats. My father used to claim he (a near 6ft man with a history of violence, ex-Army, served several prison sentences) was scared of me and my mum. It's classic DARVO. It gives them an excuse for their behaviour.

Vulnerable narcissism.
(And I'm very sorry for what you went through)

SionnachRuadh · 14/08/2025 09:50

As far as I can tell from the story, there's not even an objection to anything she said (and I'd expect her to be very polite anyway). These numpties feel "unsafe" because of private beliefs she holds which she might possibly express if she is allowed into the venue.

I don't think even the Wee Frees would bar anyone from church because of them holding sinful thoughts.