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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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ArmchairXpert · 13/08/2025 19:30

IwantToRetire · 13/08/2025 01:45

Not sure I have grasped the story if full but seriously when is this madness going to end.

It is the National Library of Scotland. And I am sure many in Scotland have different ideas etc., about Scotland.

Are any of them throwing hissy fits because a book is included that has opinions they dont like?

Of all places you shouldn't be working is a library if you dont believe in the right to express opinions and ideas, let alone biological fact.

Their irrational ideas that they set the rules has got to be challenged and ignored.

It is scary, isn't it? Bloody puritans.

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2025 19:40

This is so sad. The NLS are a fantastic organisation in many ways.

I'll be writing to express my disappointment and dismay.

Angelabdc · 13/08/2025 19:46

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 08:24

I would encourage letters (be careful to keep the tone such that they can't be accused of being abusive or aggressive) to the National Librarian, Amina Shah, to express our concerns. I won't post her email, but the NLS has a standard format for email addresses - [email protected]

If anyone can come up with an email address for the Chair of the National Library Board, Sir Drummond Bone, who is said to have signed off on the decision, I'd be really grateful.

Drummond Bone was my tutor in English Lit at Glasgow Uni in the 1980s. He was unimpressed by my cool boho Doc Martens and eyeliner student vibe. He cultivated an image based on his hero, Lord Byron and never let a seminar end without a quote from "Don Ju-ann" (heaven forfend if you used the Spanish pronunciation "Don Whan" by mistake. Sorry, I have nothing more useful to add.

SinnerBoy · 13/08/2025 20:10

It really is ridiculous, isn't it? TWWWW is very likely to be a unique effort in collaboration. A group of disparate women amateurs, (yet far from amateurish) producing such a collection and in such a short time. Surely it's worthy of being included in a historical collection, for the Scottish Nation?

user1471471849 · 13/08/2025 20:20

It's unbelievable that the National library have censored this book. I'm constantly flabbergasted at people's inability to think critically and their sheep-like actions. I'm going to buy the book now and enjoy it because it's such a breath of fresh air to hear some common sense and see how these brave women stood up for themselves and for women's rights.

I'm finding myself getting very depressed at the state of the world and this issue in particular but reading the posts on this section of mumsnet gives me hope, so thank you to everyone here for being awesome!

Waitwhat23 · 13/08/2025 20:32

Had to laugh at this glorious takedown of the ridiculous editor of the joke newspaper, the National, on Twitter.

Claims nonsense. Is proven extensively wrong by Susan Dalgety and Lucy Hunter Blackburn.

https://x.com/LauraEWebsterr/status/1955627673642053711

https://x.com/LauraEWebsterr/status/1955627673642053711

BunfightBetty · 13/08/2025 21:23

Waitwhat23 · 13/08/2025 20:32

Had to laugh at this glorious takedown of the ridiculous editor of the joke newspaper, the National, on Twitter.

Claims nonsense. Is proven extensively wrong by Susan Dalgety and Lucy Hunter Blackburn.

https://x.com/LauraEWebsterr/status/1955627673642053711

The ratio on that thread is a thing of beauty.

DuesToTheDirt · 13/08/2025 21:27

Ha, yes.

"Susan Dalgety @DalgetySusan
Replying to @LauraEWebsterr
May I respectfully suggest you read the FOI material then edit your tweet to reflect what actually happened and not what the National Library press office told you. It’s all here"

"kflarpk @kflarpk
Replying to @DalgetySusan @LauraEWebsterr
Wheesht! Laura wants you to wheesht!"

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 22:34

I wonder what it must be like for any gender-critical lesbians who work at the NLS, or who ever thought of working for the NLS, to see writing by other gender-critical lesbians demonized by their LGBTQ+ staff network.

Hostile atmosphere at work or what.

murasaki · 13/08/2025 23:39

I misread the first Bungle comment as bundle, which they'll need if and when this gets to court.

sashh · 14/08/2025 07:20

I've used the contact form to send this:

I would like to visit the Library, (I'm trying to organise a weekend break) however after your action regarding excluding 'The Women who wouldn't Weesht' from your exhibition I now wonder if the library is a safe place for me, a woman without a gender ID, to visit.

What can you do / say to reassure me?

WarriorN · 14/08/2025 07:25

NotAtMyAge · 13/08/2025 19:26

I just saw this post on X from someone who says she works at the National Library of Scotland. They didn't even have a hard copy of TWWWW until yesterday, only the e-book:

https://x.com/22carrots/status/1955673461554282643

that’s hilarious

they should have two now as one was added to and exhibition but was later removed

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/08/2025 07:41

I reused the email I sent to AS and sent it in as a complaint, the last paragraph is

As a librarians, you understand the power of words. You should also understand that the proper response to disagreement is dialogue not censorship. Silencing voices is not protection, it is cowardice.

Because that's what this is, cowardice in the face of unhinged, lying activists. 🤬

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 07:53

I love the act of resistance of adding books to a library that is doing its best not to show them.

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 07:55

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1955749175741833406

And here is Nicole Jones doing just that. Beautifully done.

The juxtaposition of the Library's posturing on freedom of speech and display of 1984 is stark.

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1955749175741833406

WarriorN · 14/08/2025 08:00

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 07:55

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1955749175741833406

And here is Nicole Jones doing just that. Beautifully done.

The juxtaposition of the Library's posturing on freedom of speech and display of 1984 is stark.

so I think that’s three copies they have now!

love the messages too, anyone near the exhibition today…?!

fromorbit · 14/08/2025 08:51

Oh no the pesky women are at again this time they are donating books to a library. Brilliant bit of of activism.

Iain Masterton
@iain_masterton
https://x.com/iain_masterton/status/1955658533770584131

Marion Calder from ForWomenScot donates a copy of The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht to a special 100th anniversary exhibition at The National Library of Scotland. The Library banned the book from this exhibition.

Meanwhile we have all the receipts you can read about the censorship row from the original emails.

Censorship: The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht and the National Library of Scotland.
Read the FOI material from National Library which shows how the National Librarian reached her decision to exclude The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht from the Library’s centenary exhibition Dear Library.
https://ethelwrites.com/censorship-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht-and-the-national-library-of-scotland/

Censorship: The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht and the National Library of Scotland.

Read the FOI material from National Library which shows how the National Librarian reached her decision to exclude The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht from the Library’s centenary exhibition…

https://ethelwrites.com/censorship-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht-and-the-national-library-of-scotland/

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 14/08/2025 09:28

WarriorN · 14/08/2025 08:00

so I think that’s three copies they have now!

love the messages too, anyone near the exhibition today…?!

This must be set to be one of the NLS's best-attended exhibitions. All that free publicity generated by their controversial decision-making process. 😂

But the staff must be quivering in fear from the terrifying middle-aged ladies. Someone might say "Oh, d'ye think so?" and then what would happen to their poor suffering souls denied the oxygen of sympathy?

(Most of us GC types are older than Nicole Jones - no offense intended to her)

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 10:00

The NLS is a phenomenal resource and provides wonderful service. It's far more upsetting for exactly those reasons. This is a national treasure, being pushed into trashing its reputation and principles over this extreme ideology. At root, the NLS is there for the people of Scotland, not a small cadre of gender-addled staff.

It was founded in the 1680s! So never mind the official centenary, this institution has existed through the Union, several wars, the Enlightenment, and the Industrial revolution. And is now scared of displaying a book, written by Scottish women, nominated by Scottish readers.

I'm really upset by this.

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 10:15

'Harmful language statement

This statement covers harmful language that you may encounter when using Library collections and resources.

Some material in the collection and the language that describes them may be harmful.

Items in the National Library of Scotland's collections range from rare historical documents to online journals, covering every subject.

When using our catalogues, collections, and online resources you may encounter text, images, film or sound clips which include outdated, discriminatory, or harmful opinions or portrayals.

These may relate to:

  • Race and ethnicity
  • Gender
  • Sexual orientation
  • Ability
  • Religious belief
  • Class
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We want to ensure that we describe and interpret material in a way that is accurate, respectful, and responsive to the people who create, use, and are represented in the collections we manage.
To do this, we are reviewing our descriptive content, including catalogue records, exhibition panels, articles, blogs and web content.
While we can change the way we interpret and present the collections, we also believe all items have research value. So we are also careful not to censor or erase any part of the original material, no matter how problematic.
Instead we want to make sure that people are aware of the nature of this content before they see it.

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We would love it if you were able to help us.

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MarieDeGournay · 14/08/2025 10:28

These may relate to:

  • Race and ethnicity
  • Gender
  • Sexual orientation
  • Ability
  • Religious belief
  • Class
  • Other areas of cultural sensitivity, such as contested geographical references

This is like equality legislation in Ireland: spot the missing word - sex.
By replacing it with 'gender', hey presto! women as biological woman have no protection.

Women who won't 'whisht' [as we say here] don't count because they don't appear on the list.

ItsCoolForCats · 14/08/2025 10:48

Has the NLS made any other statements, apart from their initial one about the book still being available in their reading room (which apparently it isn't)?

ThreeWordHarpy · 14/08/2025 11:14

Some material in the collection and the language that describes them may be harmful.

@ArabellaScott this is just enraging to me. I am a scientist and “harmful material” is the stuff you keep in secure containers and label appropriately and if necessary under lock and key. Because it might actually, you know, harm you if you don’t handle it properly.

When did it become normal that people get so distressed by reading/hearing/seeing something from past times that is not acceptable today? When did we (general we) lose the ability to read with detachment? I’m guessing it’s about the same time we (general we) lost the ability to recognise that is possible to agree with a person on one matter and disagree with them on other matters. Or recognise that “good” people can do “bad” things and vice versa.

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