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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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BunfightBetty · 13/08/2025 12:38

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 12:24

The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

Amazon
Customer reviews
4.8 out of 5 stars
479 global ratings
93% 5 stars
5% 4 stars
1% 3 stars
0% 2 stars
1% 1 star

This is exceptional for Amazon for that many reviews.

Lets look at the 1 star reviews:

Anon Kindle userReviewed in the United Kingdom on 30 June 2025
Foul
(The 5star review for a Short Corn Wavy Curly Blonde Bob Wigs for Women Ladies Synthetic Full Hair Natural Honey caught my eye)

The Badger Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 10 June 2025
Demented stuff from people who rightly remember the fight for women's rights, but - seemingly - have amnesia around the suffering and intolerance that went with it.
(Interesting what they have reviewed. 5Stars for 'The Boys' and 5Stars for 'Invincible', 5Stars for The Expanse - all of which are pretty strong and two of which are pretty damn offensive in places. I've watched all three but all three do not have typically female audiences. Also a 1Star review for a book on Thatcher and a 1Star review for an iron!)

KAM Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 31 May 2024
Borrowed this from a colleague and thank goodness I didn't spend any money on it! Awful transphobia running through the whole book - and written by people who are constantly in the media complaining they've been 'silenced'. If you like right wing women complaining about the unions you'll love it. But don't let's pretend this is anything to do with feminism.
(Has reviewed red Ronseal and Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism. Somewhat unsurprisingly the other book got 1star and the criticism that it was factually wrong and didn't understand the Equality Act)

S. cook Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 30 May 2024
As a woman, the contributors do nothing for me or me feeling safer. This is just a transphobic book. It’s about hating on trans people rather than advancing women’s rights. It’s not feminism.
(24" Monitor which got 5stars and lube - I kid you not - which only got 3. Also The Queens' English: The LGBTQIA+ Dictionary of Lingo and Colloquial Expressions. Can you guess what that was rated?!)

FamiliaH Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 11 August 2024
I didn’t buy this. I read a copy given by a friend. I found it wholly depressing. Nearly every story was written by people with an exclusionary narrow view of feminism. Many of their views were informed by fallacious claims about, mainly, transgender women. About events that never happened and about claims to medical expertise which are nothing of the sort. Many of those false claims wilfully invented by the authors themselves. The book and many of its contributors diminish women as a whole and divide us, not only on the transgender “issue” but on socio-economic grounds and ethnic grounds too. If your feminism is not intersectional, I suspect you are not a feminist at all. It also seems a bit Schröedinger’s woman to claim we are the scared potential victims of “predatory men” whilst at the same time vilifying transgender women like we are vengeful Boudiccas. In the meantime, violent attacks on women by ACTUAL men increase, as we are distracted by this invented panic.
(A transrights badge, a green skirt which is made of layered green netting - the review says it was bought to go on a protest march, a fake pearl necklace, a satin nightdress, a women's sleep bonnet, lipstick, a dog nappy dress, oh and another 1star review of material girls which they only read one chapter of).

GM Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 6 July 2024
My original review has been deleted for some reason but I would strongly encourage anyone with an ounce of compassion or empathy to avoid this dreadful book. Not only is it massively bigoted in nature, it’s also turgid, smug, and poorly written and edited.
(Actually reads books)

Bexxx Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 11 October 2024
Really terrible collection of voices of those weirdly proud to be undoing all the feminist work of decoupling sex discrimination from the patriarchy's pseudo-biological justification of sexism.
Aligning with fascism because you find trans people icky is pretty gross.
(Only seems to review items for 1 star - range of products from crochet hooks, hair clips, portable camping loo, fidget toys, sofa, notepads)

Cfs Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 25 June 2024
Transphobic book
Trans women are women
(This is a woman with short hair. There are pics of her reviewing stuff. Including Wellwoman evening primrose tablets).

D. Swanston Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 5 June 2024
This was one of the most depressing books I have ever read. Makes me ashamed to be a woman. Avoid if you have any compassion for human beings in your soul.
(Women's size 7 zip up boots are the only other item. They got 5stars)

Angelsbookvibes Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2024
How can people hate trans & non-binary people so much that they write books on a fake narrative that trans people are a danger.? We literally just want to live
(Actually reads but WOW the reading list is interesting - The Hookup Situation: Colorado Springs University Book 2, Blaze & Ajax - MM Urban Romance Alpha's Rejects Book 3, Breaking You Open - Unforgivable Needs Book 2, A Bunny for Easter, Milked - An MMM Hurt/Comfort Romance Sweet & Twisted Book 1, Don't Say You're Sorry - Hawthorne University Book 2. EVERY SINGLE ONE has a pretty boy on the cover, many in a state of semi-undress)

Clare Couchman Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 4 July 2024
My original review was removed.
(A tomato plant cage - 1 star and some earbud headphones)

Somehow I will not be taking these reviews too seriously. Especially the ones who didn't actually read the book.

Very entertaining!

Somewhat OT, but I laughed out load about ‘vengeful Boudiccas’, but on reflection am rather taken with this moniker.

BundleBoogie · 13/08/2025 12:41

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 10:34

According to the Times: "Shah later caved in to a further staff backlash, which involved claims the book “essentially promotes hate speech to a particular group”.

This is, purely and simply, a lie. The book does not promote hate speech. On the contrary it consists of a series of essays by women about the debates over the gender recognition bill, and the attempts (ironically) to silence them.

Why are people allowed to lie like this? Why are people like Shah so cowardly or dim-witted that they cave in to these ridiculous demands?

Exactly. I would bet good money that none of these staff objectors have actually read the book.

Amina Shah stop being a coward (and a pronoun prawn) and tell them they are wrong about it being hate speech. Let them try and prove her wrong.

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 12:46

BunfightBetty · 13/08/2025 12:38

Very entertaining!

Somewhat OT, but I laughed out load about ‘vengeful Boudiccas’, but on reflection am rather taken with this moniker.

I think it's a great one to add to the list of names we've been called. "Rights-hoarding dinosaurs" is one of my favourites but there was a brilliant one the other day - can anyone remember it? My memory is going.

Really hoping we'll see some inventive Mumsnetters dressed up as Boudicca at the next protest.

Edited to say: I've just realised that the vengeful Boudiccas was in reference to trans activists, not Terfs - ignore!

mrshoho · 13/08/2025 12:47

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 12:30

I have to say, that was really entertaining!

I enjoyed reading those reviews. Amazing what a picture we can build based on a person's review history.

I'm sure one of those is a plopper that posts here as the writing style is quite unique.

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 12:47

Oh, look, the NLS is looking for a new head of HR, 'fostering a culture of inclusion and excellence at Scotland’s national library' (the irony! the dreadful timing!) https://www.facebook.com/NationalLibraryOfScotland/posts/pfbid0bvv2UzRbFMKZCc2BBCrjsh5HzuaU3EbVXSSzNoV7JKa6FRVkDWjiDBdZrLAiY2Eml?rdid=bdIciDPX2DFbNBk8

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RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 12:54

mrshoho · 13/08/2025 12:47

I enjoyed reading those reviews. Amazing what a picture we can build based on a person's review history.

I'm sure one of those is a plopper that posts here as the writing style is quite unique.

It certainly is.

It wouldn't surprise me if there are complaints that I've looked at that, but its literally what you are supposed to do to see if reviewers like similar things to you.

MelOfTheRoses · 13/08/2025 12:57

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 09:21

The rate went my brother came out was apparently 1 in 10000 in 2007. (The number always stuck with me because statistically it didn't make sense even then - cos we lived on the same street and one of his classmates was also trans)

I take it you are referring to Westminster here rather than Holyrood.

There are 650 MPs.

For 50 to have close family members who have come out as trans, raises some fairly big questions.

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It would not surprise me. I have heard of so many through my DC who went to uni from 2010 onwards. They are all in their late 20s/early 30s now. We also have a wider family member now. It is also the 'queer' identity, being assexual, being accepted for being yourself introspective mindset.

There has been a lot of struggle to get on a career ladder and housing ladder. The ones I know who have had a more clear career path have bypassed all of it.

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 13:33

Shona Robison getting questioned on this by Gina Davidson: https://x.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1955607801231036536

https://x.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1955607801231036536

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OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 13:41

International coverage (what price the EQIA now?!) https://x.com/brusselssignal/status/1955600236656607501

https://x.com/brusselssignal/status/1955600236656607501

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RayonSunrise · 13/08/2025 13:46

Ha. Dear “FamiliaH “ - no one is mistaking you for Boudicca, vengeful or otherwise.

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BunfightBetty · 13/08/2025 14:05

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 12:46

I think it's a great one to add to the list of names we've been called. "Rights-hoarding dinosaurs" is one of my favourites but there was a brilliant one the other day - can anyone remember it? My memory is going.

Really hoping we'll see some inventive Mumsnetters dressed up as Boudicca at the next protest.

Edited to say: I've just realised that the vengeful Boudiccas was in reference to trans activists, not Terfs - ignore!

Edited

It would suit us a lot more than these men who want to identify as Boudicca.

In your dreams, pal.

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 14:16

Russell Findlay making hay, as you would expect https://x.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1955612130402611632

https://x.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1955612130402611632

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 14:28

So they decided it would be better for the reputation of the NLS to exclude the book.

To paraphrase Ben Cooper, it would be unkind to ask how that's working out for them.

MarieDeGournay · 13/08/2025 14:30

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 13:46

Wow. Here is the NLS correspondence that was revealed through FOIs. https://ethelwrites.com/censorship-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht-and-the-national-library-of-scotland/

Thank you, this is very valuable.

They have gone to such lengths to justify excluding WWWW just because their LGBTQ++ employees said jump, and their only question was 'how high?'.

Their concern about the potential reputational damage to NLS if they include the book was misplaced - their reputation is now well and truly under the microscope because of its exclusion.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2025 14:32

onlytherain · 13/08/2025 11:24

Great letter! What on earth were they thinking? The National Library of Scotland! Never mind the principles of free speech, (true) diversity and inclusion, but have they been living under a rock?

Sounds like it's time to step down for Aminah Shah and the board. The huge reputational damage is done though.

How poor does someone’s reading comprehension skill have to be to think that censoring the book ‘The Women who wouldn’t Wheesht’ would result in those women wheeshting? If they were worried about ‘reputational damage’ surely they could have predicted this would be a massive own goal?

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 14:43

ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2025 14:32

How poor does someone’s reading comprehension skill have to be to think that censoring the book ‘The Women who wouldn’t Wheesht’ would result in those women wheeshting? If they were worried about ‘reputational damage’ surely they could have predicted this would be a massive own goal?

I mean, talk about picking a battle with exactly the wrong group of people.

If anything tells you they haven't read the book, it's that!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 14:44

ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2025 14:32

How poor does someone’s reading comprehension skill have to be to think that censoring the book ‘The Women who wouldn’t Wheesht’ would result in those women wheeshting? If they were worried about ‘reputational damage’ surely they could have predicted this would be a massive own goal?

You'd think. But then again, it didn't cross their minds not to piss off a Scotsman columnist by excluding the book that she was responsible for editing, on the grounds that the content promoted "hate speech".

For the activists it's all grist to the mill. But for the CEO and the board, if I wanted to avoid public controversy that's not how I'd go about it.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 14:45

They thought the sponsor of the event would withdraw is such a fucking lame excuse.

Why have such an exhibition if they can't handle it. Now it lots bad for that sponsor anyway!

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 14:46

Who is the sponsor? Is it just the government or did they secure additional funding?

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RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 14:52

ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2025 14:32

How poor does someone’s reading comprehension skill have to be to think that censoring the book ‘The Women who wouldn’t Wheesht’ would result in those women wheeshting? If they were worried about ‘reputational damage’ surely they could have predicted this would be a massive own goal?

Well, quite. The clue, as they say, is in the name.

I'm getting the sense that these people aren't blessed with an overabundance of thinking skills.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 15:05

The NLS correspondence (with commentary) is an entertaining read.

I'm amused by the dangers of consulting the public. The NLS are right, it's risky to canvas our view on anything, after all we voted to call a research ship Boaty McBoatface. I'm not so convinced that the public need to be told what's best for us by an LGBTQ+ staff network.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 15:06

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 14:46

Who is the sponsor? Is it just the government or did they secure additional funding?

Well that is a big question that should be found out.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 15:29

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 15:06

Well that is a big question that should be found out.

Whoever it was the staff network threatened to stir up shit with them. Maybe someone needs to think about the remit of these staff networks.