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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Russell T Davies losing the plot in more ways than one

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Mollyollydolly · 11/08/2025 22:34

Not content with destroying Dr Who he's blathering on again about the threat to gay rights. Trans activism destroys everything including good writers and Dr Who.
I worked with him years ago before he was famous. I thought he was the most talented person I ever met. It still fascinates me how we both ended up so far apart. He's lost the plot in so many ways.

Two articles from Jo Bartosch and Brendan O'Neill.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/6e9111c77bc56c4c

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/11/it-wasnt-trump-who-trashed-gay-rights-it-was-the-trans-lobby/

It wasn’t Trump who trashed gay rights – it was the trans lobby

Russell T Davies is so wrong to blame populists for the crisis of gay liberation.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/11/it-wasnt-trump-who-trashed-gay-rights-it-was-the-trans-lobby/

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Slothtoes · 13/08/2025 09:37

What a massive careerist he must be. I’m disappointed in him. At the time I thought Years and Years was scarily plausible and clever. The teenage girl character (who is taken in by an identity movement offering dangerous biological alterations) seemed like a GC point well made. He could have stuck with that. Would have been a brave bit of truth telling on the public record.

But that mustn’t have worked for him personally, as that quote above showed:

He said that Trump wants gay people
‘biologically altered to become as straight as him’.
My irony meter has exploded

Exactly.

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 10:15

to reiterate , Lincoln, one of the children in Years and Years, starts as a boy and transitions during the progression of the series.

it’s very clear that this guy cannot see the analogy between trans humanism and transgender

https://lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/LincolnLyons

HopingForTheBest25 · 13/08/2025 10:15

Tbh I think age of consent needs revisiting - it shouldn't be legal that a person in their 30s can be allowed to have sex with a 16 year old, regardless of who is male or female! And for everyone else to just shrug and say it's legal, as if that automatically protects the teenager, who cannot even vote or drive a car or buy a drink at this point in their lives.

Legal sex at 16 should be there to protect a couple of teenagers from prosecution, not for men (largely) to exploit people much younger than themselves. I think we need some sort of graduated system and more social disapproval of large age gap relationships where one person is younger than 25 at the start of the relationship and the other person is in their late 30s+

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 10:18

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 10:15

to reiterate , Lincoln, one of the children in Years and Years, starts as a boy and transitions during the progression of the series.

it’s very clear that this guy cannot see the analogy between trans humanism and transgender

https://lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/LincolnLyons

Edited

link doesn’t work but Lincoln Lyons in years and years brings up the story

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 10:20

Everyone was raving about the programme at the time; all I could see was that pernicious storyline being inserted and normalised.

Dominoodles · 13/08/2025 10:25

Look, I hate trump and his views and personality. But I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with gay people? Didn't he host a gay wedding at his home and fully supports gay marriage?

It's like the only half decent view the man holds!!!

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 11:02

I also missed his book, 2024, Gay Shame: The Rise of Gender Ideology and the New Homophobia.

SerendipityJane · 13/08/2025 11:29

It depends on how you define gay rights, I suppose.

How about "human rights" ?

moto748e · 13/08/2025 11:39

Wasn't there a TV series some years back about trendy lesbians in Glasgow (?), I think? Can't remember what it was called.

Kurkara · 13/08/2025 11:47

Dominoodles · 13/08/2025 10:25

Look, I hate trump and his views and personality. But I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with gay people? Didn't he host a gay wedding at his home and fully supports gay marriage?

It's like the only half decent view the man holds!!!

Trump owes his rise in the Republican party to GOProud.
It's so strange that he's impugned as a homophobe. It's not like it's difficult to find things to hold him accountable for!!

CrossPurposes · 13/08/2025 11:55

moto748e · 13/08/2025 11:39

Wasn't there a TV series some years back about trendy lesbians in Glasgow (?), I think? Can't remember what it was called.

Lip Service in 2010.

lcakethereforeIam · 13/08/2025 11:56

It's almost like, all evidence to the contrary, the tras want the tiny handed orange one to be homophobic. Almost like if they didn't have gay rights to parasitise they know they'd have even less support.

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 13/08/2025 12:17

HopingForTheBest25 · 13/08/2025 10:15

Tbh I think age of consent needs revisiting - it shouldn't be legal that a person in their 30s can be allowed to have sex with a 16 year old, regardless of who is male or female! And for everyone else to just shrug and say it's legal, as if that automatically protects the teenager, who cannot even vote or drive a car or buy a drink at this point in their lives.

Legal sex at 16 should be there to protect a couple of teenagers from prosecution, not for men (largely) to exploit people much younger than themselves. I think we need some sort of graduated system and more social disapproval of large age gap relationships where one person is younger than 25 at the start of the relationship and the other person is in their late 30s+

Sorry I strongly disagree with this. You're saying people who cannot vote (actually they can now) and drive a car and buy a drink can't consent to sex, but want rules interfering with the private lives of people over 18 and under 25?! But they can do all of the things you list. So then would you be campaigning to push back voting and driving and drinking (not at the same time) to 25 as well?

I would not live in a country with extreme state interference like this. We have to trust that people will make their own decisions once they reach a certain age, even if those are not the decisions we would like them to make or which we would make for them.

Shedmistress · 13/08/2025 12:45

Dominoodles · 13/08/2025 10:25

Look, I hate trump and his views and personality. But I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with gay people? Didn't he host a gay wedding at his home and fully supports gay marriage?

It's like the only half decent view the man holds!!!

He celebrated his win with YMCA blaring out.

moto748e · 13/08/2025 12:49

CrossPurposes · 13/08/2025 11:55

Lip Service in 2010.

That was fifteen years ago? Bloody hell! 😀

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 12:52

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 11:02

I also missed his book, 2024, Gay Shame: The Rise of Gender Ideology and the New Homophobia.

Gareth's book is one of the most readable, and certainly the funniest, of the books written about the madness. I highly recommend.

SionnachRuadh · 13/08/2025 12:56

Gareth's book is great. I read it in one sitting.

I was just thinking, PD James was putting openly lesbian characters in her detective novels in the 1970s, and even in the 1960s she'd write about female "friends" who had been living together for years and were obviously coded lesbian.

60 years later, TV dramatists don't seem to have heard of this strange and obscure demographic. We're about as likely to get a drama about Mongolian throat singers as lesbian relationships.

Denim4ever · 13/08/2025 12:57

Hmm, I think it's the 'journalism' of the article. It's not even worthy of being called journalism. Hatchet job

Davros · 13/08/2025 12:58

I’ll add that Gareth Roberts book to my GC library

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 13:23

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2025 12:52

Gareth's book is one of the most readable, and certainly the funniest, of the books written about the madness. I highly recommend.

thanks for the review!

EnfysPreseli · 13/08/2025 13:41

WarriorN · 13/08/2025 10:15

to reiterate , Lincoln, one of the children in Years and Years, starts as a boy and transitions during the progression of the series.

it’s very clear that this guy cannot see the analogy between trans humanism and transgender

https://lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/LincolnLyons

Edited

I missed the reference to Lincoln as a 'Chinese girl' in the script that the article refers to. I always thought his character was an example of a gender non-conforming boy. Dressing as he pleased, but still a boy called Lincoln. I also thought the transhumanism story, which included a mention of the ships anchored offshore previously doing cheap quick 'gender transitions', as being a pop at gender ideology. RTD's been a bonkers misogynist longer than I thought then. 🙄

NorthernBogbean · 13/08/2025 15:01

I didn't realise Gareth Roberts had written that, thanks. He wrote the Shakespeare Code and Unicorn and the Wasp episodes of Dr Who, which I like.

Another gripe about RTD is the amount of indulgence he was given in re Dr Who. I'm a bit younger than RTD with similar fond memories of 1970s / 80s Who, like Gatiss et al. I give RTD full credit for intelligently reviving it in 2005 by encoding that self-referential nostalgia in stories fit for the C21st. His 2005 onwards stint was very good. But he didn't create or own it and neither did the boys' club of 'showrunners' that came after who had a stranglehold on it. Bringing RTD back with added rainbow woo politics has been the last nail.

Sally Wainwright seems to have written a large chunk of popular UK TV drama centred on women (alongside Kay Mellor and Heidi Thomas) and she strives to have lesbian characters along with all the other kinds of women in there - the only one centred on lesbians being history drama Gentleman Jack - I'm cynically suspicious it was cancelled by Netflix before the end of the story for having too much coal mining and canals and not enough sexy bodices and shagging.

I still can't think of a female equivalent of QAF and the RTD gay follow-ons - I'd never honestly heard of Lip Service, it seems to have had 12 episodes (BBC3 / Scotland production). The promo pics are sexy women in clinches and fashionable lifestyles, synopses are a bit soap-y but it doesn't seem to have had much reach / impact.

moto748e · 13/08/2025 17:07

I'd never honestly heard of Lip Service, it seems to have had 12 episodes (BBC3 / Scotland production). The promo pics are sexy women in clinches and fashionable lifestyles, synopses are a bit soap-y but it doesn't seem to have had much reach / impact

That's how I remember it; a bit soapy, it but was OK. I don't think it made much of a splash.

Davros · 13/08/2025 17:40

“I didn't realise Gareth Roberts had written that, thanks. He wrote the Shakespeare Code and Unicorn and the Wasp episodes of Dr Who, which I like.”
Two of my favourite episodes. Both clever and funny