Single sex spaces

[piloswi]

I’m confused with single sex spaces and trans people and what people want.

My understanding is everyone must use the single sex space of their biological sex (I might be wrong). This is only spoken about in terms of trans women now having to use men’s toilets, etc. But this means trans men must use women’s toilets. So someone who looks like a man but biologically isn’t but mostly (imo) you can’t really tell with trans men whereas you often can with trans women.

Is this what the majority want? Surely if people are worried about ‘predatory men’ pretending to be a trans woman to use single sex spaces then they could equally claim to be a trans man as you can’t really ask them to prove it can you?

I guess I’m just wondering if I’m missing the point the point? Are the majority happy with this? I’ve seen posts of people being very happy with the ruling but only have spoken about trans women.

I don’t want this to be a trans bashing thread. Just would like to know what people would like to see as their ideal for single sex spaces while still respecting people

This entire argument is an attempt to force team the idea that men who get extreme cosmetic surgery are like women who have vaginas and therefore the same. All whilst feigning offense to women who have genetic disorders or who are infertile.

This argument has suddenly appeared in The Bingo in the last week or two as a way to insist transwomen who have surgery should still be classed as female.

I'm sick to death of it.

We can see it from outer space.

Didn’t expect you to trip over a rhetorical question 🙂

Yes. I am going to stop now as the poster's fuckwittery is ongoing and there is no intention of engaging with the topic at hand by them.

from the internet

The female reproductive system consists of both internal and external organs, including the ovaries, uterus, vagina, and vulva, each playing crucial roles in reproduction and hormonal regulation

Internal Reproductive Organs

Ovaries: These are two small glands that produce eggs (ova) and hormones such as estrogen and progesterone. They are located on either side of the uterus.

Uterus: A hollow, muscular organ where a fertilized egg implants and develops during pregnancy. The uterus has a lining called the endometrium, which thickens and sheds during the menstrual cycle.

Vagina: A muscular tube that connects the external genitals to the uterus. It serves multiple functions, including the passage for menstrual fluid, the birth canal during childbirth, and the receptacle for the penis during sexual intercourse.

Uterine Tubes (Fallopian Tubes): These tubes extend from the uterus to the ovaries and are the site where fertilization typically occurs. They transport the egg from the ovary to the uterus.

External Reproductive Organs (Vulva)
Mons Pubis: The rounded area of fatty tissue located above the pubic bone, typically covered with pubic hair.

Labia Majora: The outer folds of skin that protect the other external reproductive organs. They enclose and protect the labia minora and the vaginal opening.

Labia Minora: The inner folds of skin located within the labia majora. They surround the vaginal opening and urethra and are sensitive to stimulation.

Clitoris: A small, sensitive protrusion located at the top of the labia minora, which is highly sensitive and plays a significant role in sexual arousal.

Vaginal Opening: The entrance to the vagina, which allows for menstrual fluid to exit the body and serves as the birth canal during delivery.

Hymen: A thin membrane that partially covers the vaginal opening in some individuals, which can be stretched or torn during various activities, including sexual intercourse or tampon use.

Additional Structures

Bartholin’s Glands: Located on either side of the vaginal opening, these glands secrete fluid that helps lubricate the vagina during sexual arousal.

Skene’s Glands: Located near the urethra, these glands may contribute to lubrication and are sometimes associated with female ejaculation.
Understanding these parts and their functions is essential for recognizing the complexities of the female reproductive system and its role in overall health and reproduction.

So no, being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely DOES NOT mean you don't have a reproductive system. You are just missing some bits of it.

I see. So, you are here to 'gotcha' people.

Thanks for admitting what I suspected all along.

I’m still giggling at “no human organ
has a set purpose” 😂😂😂😂.

Just missing the absolutely necessary reproductive bits 👍🏾

I know...

But, when you apply a 'determinism' style meaning and not the other common meaning, I guess you can personify people's body parts so that they have a 'higher' purpose.

The fuckwittery is strong.

And your point is what?

I think for women who are happy for male to use their single sex spaces why not extend that same empathy to women who are not happy to do so? Women with trauma or women from certain faiths or even women who would just self exclude themselves because they are not comfortable and don't feel safe sharing such spaces with males. Even if I didn't mind sharing with men I think on the basis that most women do object that is enough to make me come down on that side of the argument.

Why is calling you out for being misogynistic a gotcha sorry? Did you do it unintentionally or you're just all in on talking about women's bodies that way still?

Oh I see you actually do think a vagina is just a fuck hole

This is the consequence of these men never having been told NO before. The rage and fury that their access to women and women's spaces has been denied is unhinged.
Hence the attempted appropriation of every aspect of women's lives and the mad display of batshittery in arguing with women about our bodies 🙄

That explains why you imagine a bloke with a flesh tube likely made from his cock or colon has the same thing. Purest gynaephobic misogyny

This entire argument is an attempt to force team the idea that men who get extreme cosmetic surgery are like women who have vaginas and therefore the same

And it has to be couched in some faux-feminism in a desperate attempt to get women on board

Only @Helleofabore thinks of or uses that term that I've ever heard, she's the one that described women's vaginas that way

Absolutely.

Your post made it crystal clear what you think.

This is indeed usually how the discussion goes.

Female people realise that they cannot consent for others and therefore they tend to support the third spaces that so many feminists suggested in the past. And to be fair, the quantity of those third spaces have increased over the past few years.

Now there are very often alternative options but they are being rejected by some people who will only accept their inclusion, as a male person, into a female single sex space.

Fucking hell. This is actually insane that this is even a discussion.

The tissue lining in WOMEN with a blind vagina is still natural vaginal mucosa, because the person is genetically and hormonally female.
Vaginal mucosa is present, with natural epithelial cells, acidic pH, normal bacterial flora.

'Neo vaginas' created by intestinal tissue are not naturally acidic and it has a fundamentally different bacterial environment.

Women with a blind vagina still have a hormonal response to estrogen — thickens during menstrual cycle, maintains natural lubrication.

'Neo vaginas' do not respond to menstrual cycle hormones in the same way (skin/intestinal tissue doesn’t have vaginal mucosa cells).

Women with a blind vagina still experience self-lubrication — vaginal mucosa produces lubrication in response to arousal.

'Neo vaginas' do not experience any of these things

In women with a blind vagina, usually no daily dilation is needed, once surgery to lengthen is complete.

'Neo vaginas' require ongoing dilation, especially early on, to prevent closure.

A blind vagina still has biological vaginal cells — the tissue is soft, stretchy, self-moistening, and naturally maintains healthy flora.

A 'neo vagina' may look 'similar' externally, but the inner lining is fundamentally different — it behaves more like the tissue it was made from (skin or bowel), not like natural vaginal mucosa.

But the fact remains, in 100% of cases, a 'neo vagina' is only ever attached to a fucking bloke.
They may as well have had a fucking tube attached to their face and call themselves an elephant.

Fucking nonsense.
The fact that a (presumably) adult is making any kind of comparison between a WOMAN'S vagina and a 'neo vagina' is embarrassing.

That is absolutely not what she said. But you know that already, don't you?

If you are talking about people with no gonads, I think you are straying into talking about a very small group of people with DSDs. However that still doesn't change the reason why women have vaginas.

A developmental disorder is just a developmental disorder, not evidence of a new kind of human.

It truly is a luxury belief to think that vaginas are just random parts of the body that have no definable purpose.

Except, she didn't.

"This entire argument is an attempt to force team the idea that men who get extreme cosmetic surgery are like women who have vaginas and therefore the same. All whilst feigning offense to women who have genetic disorders or who are infertile."

Indeed it is.

The twisting is happening so very hard that all limbs of that poster are in danger of being dislocated twice over.

And all to support the misogyny of labelling a male person's surgically inserted cavity that is in their groin using the name for the female body part.

There's absolutely women who's vaginas don't function in this way because of medical conditions and therefore don't have the same flora and lubricate etc. Is it so much to say just not to not call them fuckholes on a feminist board because you think you're throwing an insult at one group but actually throwing it at a bunch of women as well?